Did Skreli buy a FAKE wu album? CHICAGO TRIBUNE

[Rev Jones]

And they weren't in jail when we were working with them. Dudes is grown men, responsible for their own actions. Not me.

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[Cilvaringz]

Why didnt the other clan members get to hear to whole record before the auction?
I mean it's the biggest statement in the history of music selling only one copy, you should expect that all clan members wanted to hear the end product or that RZA tried his best to let them listem to it so they know what it is exactly because it's a wu album according to RZA isnt it?

Couple of reasons, first of all the Clan is too scattered around to organize a get together by a barn fire, warm coco and listen to the album in the cumbaya setting that you're implying. Secondly the album was kept here in Morocco, not with RZA in LA. Third, part of its mystique, uniqueness and strength was that nobody including the artists themselves had ever heard it. Owning the album would therefore be extra special.

[Cilvaringz]

You'd probably have to clarify if you're putting one song on Johns Legends album or arranging a whole John Legend album without his knowledge.
quick question, if RZA deemed those albums floating around of "Wu-Tang vs the Beatles" as an official Wu Tang album.. Apart from RZA owning the brand name, would you say that the Wu-Tang Clan, or even just RZA, made that album?

at best you could call it a Wu Tang album as imagined by (whoever made it)

You're implying that Wu-Tang vs The Beatles was made the same way and includes the Clan's participation in the same way as OUATIS and can therefore be compared to make the argument you're making? What you smoking on? And Sin and Shyheim being on these tracks don't make it a Wu-Tang album, or less than a Wu-Tang album, or more than a Wu-Tang album. Their contribution is more beneficial for them then the other way around. Listen to Method Man in the Huff Post interview, listen to Rae & Ghost on the scluzay.com site, check Masta Killa's interviews with Allhiphop.com.. everyone was aware of what was going to happen with it prior to any announcement.

[Toothflesh]

Couple of reasons, first of all the Clan is too scattered around to organize a get together by a barn fire, warm coco and listen to the album in the cumbaya setting that you're implying. Secondly the album was kept here in Morocco, not with RZA in LA. Third, part of its mystique, uniqueness and strength was that nobody including the artists themselves had ever heard it. Owning the album would therefore be extra special.

I was not referring to a cumbaya setting at all.
Its pretty clear bringing them together has been a problem since years.
I just cant imagine that not one clan member was interested in the end product.

[num2son]

Fun fact: 36 Chambers was according to RZA the most copy & paste album out there. It's when he first started fucking with ProTools. Protect Ya Neck was copied and pasted in its entirty.

What was rza using back then?

Everybody would like a cut of the 2 million bucks. If Shyheim has a right to it then hey, more power to the brother.

LOL, who has the money?

[Rev Jones]

of course some of these artists are gonna say 'I want a (bigger) cut now', it's human nature

they got paid for their verse back then and that's the end of it really


if I drop a verse for ShaDynasty to add to a remix of his and his remix album takes off maybe I can ask for more moolah too but he would be right to tell me to go fuck off and be happy with what I agreed to first. even if Sha had changed it to a Mister Yo album with DP raps all over it without me knowing about it. shoutout to Sha & Senor Yo.


changing it from a cilvaringz / killah priest / kodak black / whatever album to a wu-tang labeled album doesn't change that they got paid. Idk if sin, shy etc would have negotiated a higher price if they knew it was gonna turn out a wu tang labeled album. maybe not cuz they could have figured being included on a wu album would give them higher exposure, which would reflect on the sales of their own projects. OR NOT. Idk, it's all conjecture


but let's not pretend these guys had to save on egg sandwiches just so they could record a verse for this


it's rap. EVERYBODY is always gonna try to get more money out of it when things take an unexpected upturn suddenly. (goes for most genres really lol) can't blame 'em. doesn't mean you have to give into them

[Cilvaringz]

What was rza using back then?


LOL, who has the money?

RZA was using ProTools for the first time. It had just launched in a few studios. Re: money. We told Bloomberg how the money broke down, they didnt care to post it.

[ForensikZ]

Do please explain the culture vulturing.

How is it not? YOU decided that YOU wanted a new wu album featuring all the classic beez and beats and skits and famly ties... So YOU decided to gather the money to do that.

YOU decided the only opinion that mattered in the end was the RZAs and you knew that it was better to ask for FORGIVENESS than PERMISSION.

YOU set the example that ANYONE with MONEY can secretly record the album and offer rza a bag to make it official.

This is no different than the labels financing a wu album except they goto RZA and the GROUP not some c affiliate (no offense but your not subz of man, bk zu or killarm) who wants to replace rza


And you can deny this but you already said in this thread that it only matters what rza thinks when it vomes to a wu alhum

So its fck meth. Fuck ugod. Fuck deck. Fuck cap n gza etc. they are PART of the group TOO. THEY DONT OWN THEY NAME BUT THAT DONT MEAN THEY ARENT PART OF WUTANG AND THEIR OPINIONS DONT MATTER.

you already made it crystal clear in this thread their opinions dont matter.

And now the doors open to ANYONE with cash can secretly make wu albums as long as rza happy. Guess sermon when meth was signed to def jam could take his catalog of meth verses and tell def jam "i got a method man album ready". And if def jam okd it, wed have a new meth album without meths ok.

You helped set a very dangerious precedent for the clan right now and taught 9/10 that their opinions mean ZERO.



ALL THIS... and at the end of the day YOU stated the album was the ultimate wu album for the fans.

And because you were afraid it wouldnt sell enough you decided to sell it to a single rich buyer with terms that wed NEVER hear it beause he cannot put it out commercially.


So yur hip hop will NEVER be heard by the masses so you can make some EXTRA money. The ULTIMATE WU ALBUM... for the FANS.. sitting in skrelis house.



But let you tell it.. YOURE HAPPIER WE READ ABOUT THE ALBUM MORE THAN PEOPLE HEARING IT.

Thats not hip hop. Thats not hip hop culture. Thats straight making money off the wu brand YOU AINT EVEN PART OF.


ITS TEXT BOOK culture VULTURING. you aint wutang but because you have rich friends you secretly made a wutang album without the knowledge of the clan.

You took the power out of their hands but your happier about the press for an album noone will ever hear, more than the joy evey TRUE BLUE wu fan would get from hearing their rhyming heroes one last time the way we always wanted. You teased and dangled the carrot and then took it away and started telling us how we should feel about it.

Pure arrogance. Pure deception.

Is anyone mad at math? No cuz he told dudes ima make a new wu album, got rzas blessing and is dripping it for the fans.

You did the complete opposite and somehow cannot comprehend why people feel the way they do.

I didnt make threads askin fans to pick beats. I didnt hype them up for 2.5 years. YOU did. And then for money you make jokes about not recievint you decided to make hip hop for the RICH when its always been for the poor inner city youth.

This whole shit is such a shot at hip hop and hip hop culture its ridiculous.

You SOLD OUT. Easy breezy beautiful cover girl.


And the sad shit is everyone would atill forgive you if you gave them the album you promised.
You have no idea the joy you brought us all knowing that i was gonna be able to hear meth rap with shabazz on a wu track. That rae n rza (n the rest) were dropping classic verses and the beats weren't overproduced fluff like todays music.

And you took it away.

Why you even said ANYTHING about it ill never know. You didnt need to, it didnt help yur buzz at all its only hurting it.

You should have known better and you talked about that special idea pretty much from the get go but wouldnt tell us.

You with your vague answers, arrogant responses, questionable decisions and secrets caused EVERY SINGLE problem with this album.

The fact that you cant admit that nor give a flying fuck tells me all I need to know already...


You are a secret agent culture vulture who infiltrated wutng/hiphop for your own benefit. If this shit was really in your veins you wouodnt trade the wu fans ultimate dream for some press on forbes.

You did tho.

And now well never EVER get an album like this (one that recalls the old days/old teams/old beats and rhymes/old feelings) befause you made the "CLOSURE ALBUM" and EVERY TRUE WU FAN FROM DAY 1 will be DEAD before we get that "Closure".

So fuck rza for stating this album was closire for the fans...

Fuck you for sullying the rep and status of my favorite musicians by going behind their back and publically stating THEIR OPINIONS DONT MATTER.

[Mumm Ra]

You're implying that Wu-Tang vs The Beatles was made the same way and includes the Clan's participation in the same way as OUATIS and can therefore be compared to make the argument you're making? What you smoking on?

the comparison isnt 100% but much more so than your examples. nobody in Wu including RZA had any input to how OATIS was put together, same as Wu-Tang vs Beatles where their verses were used on someone else's song arrangement and production. only difference is OATIS has new verses. Am I wrong?
idk what you were smoking for your comparisons - at least the tracks meant for solo albums that made it to The W and whatnot were actually a manifestation of the wu-tang members. it was made as Wu-Tang intended, whether for good or bad.

OATIS is a Wu-Tang album as imagined by Cilvaringz. I aint mad, its just what it is and more power to it.

everyone was aware of what was going to happen with it prior to any announcement.

'it' as in the album? when it was already completed? that has no bearing on what im talking about

[ShaDynasty]

of course some of these artists are gonna say 'I want a (bigger) cut now', it's human nature

they got paid for their verse back then and that's the end of it really


if I drop a verse for ShaDynasty to add to a remix of his and his remix album takes off maybe I can ask for more moolah too but he would be right to tell me to go fuck off and be happy with what I agreed to first. even if Sha had changed it to a Mister Yo album with DP raps all over it without me knowing about it. shoutout to Sha & Senor Yo.


changing it from a cilvaringz / killah priest / kodak black / whatever album to a wu-tang labeled album doesn't change that they got paid. Idk if sin, shy etc would have negotiated a higher price if they knew it was gonna turn out a wu tang labeled album. maybe not cuz they could have figured being included on a wu album would give them higher exposure, which would reflect on the sales of their own projects. OR NOT. Idk, it's all conjecture


but let's not pretend these guys had to save on egg sandwiches just so they could record a verse for this


it's rap. EVERYBODY is always gonna try to get more money out of it when things take an unexpected upturn suddenly. (goes for most genres really lol) can't blame 'em. doesn't mean you have to give into them

That Yo/Lee Towers/ShaDynasty LP is going to smash the world, but lets split the profits evenly homies.

Anyway what does Pro Tools have to do with people calling this album copy and paste? I'm almost sure that thats not what people are referring to when they use that phrase.

[digi]

in ref to the copy and paste nature of the album, comparing to rza makin 36 chambers is completely obsolete since the clan all knew they were making that specific album.. rza usin pro tools for the first time on that does not apply for that reason n im sure he himself would clarify the same.. and anyone who know anythin bout the music industry knows that fees for mc's n producers are based on budgets whether independent or a major.. chargin a fee to feature on this album opposed to chargin for a clan album r two totallt separate animals, exactly like someone wouldnt charge the same fee for a action bronson lp as they would a kanye project.. i can only speak on how ifelt when heard after all the hype that it wasn't a rza production rather a cr prod.. i felt jus like the majority of everyone else like it ws misleading, false advertisment to a great degree.. specially since cr has been talkin bout the project he gon drop for the fans all these years on this forum, only to find out its been branded a wu album at that.. they new album prod by mathematics is advertised as such and he a actual wu-element, not an affiliate.

[The Hound]

You really need to read the book homie. And tell your brother The Mountain to get a copy too. Quick question.. if I record a verse from you tomorrow on one of my beats, and I put your vocals on a John Legend album, is the John Legend album then a fake John Legend album? Forget the ethics of it, just answer that question.

it definitely is a fake album if John legend had nothing to do with it. I don't need to read the book homie I read "it's coming"

I don't think that my brother can read tbh he's a little under the weather

[wescraven]

You really need to read the book homie. And tell your brother The Mountain to get a copy too. Quick question.. if I record a verse from you tomorrow on one of my beats, and I put your vocals on a John Legend album, is the John Legend album then a fake John Legend album? Forget the ethics of it, just answer that question.

Yes it would be fake if john legend didnt know about the album.The issue is you cant say its a legitimate album if the vocals were recorded under the assumption it was a cilvaringz lp.Rza is the Abbott,but he doesn't speak for the other 8 members.

[Cilvaringz]

Yes it would be fake if john legend didnt know about the album.The issue is you cant say its a legitimate album if the vocals were recorded under the assumption it was a cilvaringz lp.Rza is the Abbott,but he doesn't speak for the other 8 members.

So how about Rae, Ghost, Masta Killa, RZA and even Meth in the Huff post interview talking bout the album as a Wu-Tang album? Dont count right? And RZA doesn't speak for the group? You've been living under a rock for the last 20 years?

[Cilvaringz]

in ref to the copy and paste nature of the album, comparing to rza makin 36 chambers is completely obsolete since the clan all knew they were making that specific album.. rza usin pro tools for the first time on that does not apply for that reason n im sure he himself would clarify the same.. and anyone who know anythin bout the music industry knows that fees for mc's n producers are based on budgets whether independent or a major.. chargin a fee to feature on this album opposed to chargin for a clan album r two totallt separate animals, exactly like someone wouldnt charge the same fee for a action bronson lp as they would a kanye project.. i can only speak on how ifelt when heard after all the hype that it wasn't a rza production rather a cr prod.. i felt jus like the majority of everyone else like it ws misleading, false advertisment to a great degree.. specially since cr has been talkin bout the project he gon drop for the fans all these years on this forum, only to find out its been branded a wu album at that.. they new album prod by mathematics is advertised as such and he a actual wu-element, not an affiliate.

Well that's good news for you then since you didnt spend a dime on it, you had nothing to lose, nor have you lost anything on it. Problem solved. Unless there's emotional damage to deal with