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    A truly free market requires free movement of people, not just products and ideas. Most people who immigrate here do so seeking A better life and are productive and peaceful. Anybody seeking criminal or violent activity should be blocked from entry. The entire procedure to become a citizen need reform though. The process is overly complex,lengthy, and expensive.

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    Building a wall on are southern border is ridiculous also. I get the idea of it might appeal to people, and we should not want illegals in this country. But, if you start researching how effective and how the cost of building it, the conclusion is that there are better approaches. It was just a way for Trump to rally simple minded people who believe brown people are bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by b-dolo View Post
    Building a wall on are southern border is ridiculous also. I get the idea of it might appeal to people, and we should not want illegals in this country. But, if you start researching how effective and how the cost of building it, the conclusion is that there are better approaches. It was just a way for Trump to rally simple minded people who believe brown people are bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Collector View Post
    Its a politcal ploy if you think about it. No way some of these industries don't want migrant workers coming here so they can give them meager wages.

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    Why would I want some illiterate dumb fuckers from third world shitholes they already ruined who don't think like me invade my country, take jobs here from others and vote for politics they don't have the first fucking clue about? No thanks. Stick to your own third world environment that your socialist neo-marxist ideas created. Suffer the results of your own political ideology. Live and remain in your pseudo-liberal demoKKKrat Regressive Neo-Marxist third world welfare crime infested rat infested shitholes, and whine about how you living in your own filth is somehow my fault. That's to all you miserable demoKKKrats in blue states planning your migration to a low tax thriving economy Red Republican State. Stay the fuck out. We don't want ya. Only the strongest survive and that's not you.

    If you come across an out of towner you should assault them and make them earn their keep.
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    are white people allowed to illegally immigrate into colored countries?

    Just asking.

    I find the hypocrisy hilarious.

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    The entire problem goes beyond the stated argument. First, if you are worried about immigrants voting against your interest, that just shows how much power we give our elected officials. They should not have the authority to influence a persons everyday life as they do. So, maybe we should try to strive for smaller government.

    Second, how many immigrants would come here if we did not have the welfare state to help them. If we get rid or at least reduce the amount of free money we give unworthy individuals you we would see less people wanting to invade our country. People immigrating here would be already financially secure. Wouldn't that be an easier approach. Get rid of the welfare state and we could indirectly get rid of border walls and border patrols. That would be a win-win for taxpayers.

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    I support immigration.

    I condemn illegal immigration.

    And if you're for open borders, then don't ever accuse white people of ever invading or conquering any land. You don't believe in borders. So white people were merely migrating. DemoKKKrats do this all the time. They claim every place in the world white people ever went to was "apartheid" or "conquest" but when non-white people come to white nations it is "diversity" and "multiculturalism." Hatred of white people and racism underlies everything demoKKKrats think. You either believe in nations and borders or you don't. And if you don't believe in borders, then you essentially don't believe in property rights. If you can trespass into a nation, why can't I trespass on to your property or trespass into your dwelling? If demoKKKRats claim they don't believe in borders or walls, then why do they get to enforce their own borders and walls around their own properties in utter hypocrisy and contradiction?

    Anyone who doesn't believe that the illegal immigration and migrant crises and refugee policies are all politically motivated are fooling themselves . If it was mostly white people sneaking into the USA by the millions, demoKKKrats would have shut the shit down immediately. White people are more likely to be individualist and reject centralization of power and authoritarianism. As long as it is a socialist group or a group of lower IQ and lower skilled demographics who they believe will help them socially engineer a voting majority , then they provide "sanctuary." It's not necessarily the color of the illegal migrant, but the political effect that motivates a demoKKKRats hypocritical and contradicting political position.

    And as you say. If there were no welfare state, and I knew that anyone coming to America would have to make their own way the honest way, and people couldn't vote themselves the treasury, then strict immigration enforcement wouldn't even be necessary.

    So I agree with your points.

    Milton Friedman - Illegal Immigration - PT 1


    This video is outdated because since he made this speech we now know that illegal immigrants do indeed collect welfare and receive tens of thousands of dollars in public benefits directly and indirectly. I think the part that is still relevant, and the reason I post it, is the explanation that you cannot have open borders and a welfare state at the same time.
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    And how many are making wages tax free, another way we end up getting screwed by illegals.

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    I think another part of the equation is that the USA needs to increase the population by a minimum percentage to keep the pyramid schemes Social security and medicare working.

    If the population stops growing or population growth goes flat, then the pyramid scheme falls apart. You always need more people paying into the system to be able to pay out the benefits.

    Medicare and Social Security are insolvent socialist programs.

    Since white women rather work their entire lives and try to compete with men in the workplace instead of have children and get married, they aren't having enough kids to replace the dying population.

    So government steps in and tries to import low skill blue collar workers who get social security and medicare payroll taxes deducted to keep the pyramid schemes (ponzi schemes) afloat.

    Social Security, Medicare threatened as birth rate hits 32-year low
    https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/...te-32-year-low

    The Social Security Administration has already said both programs would experience cost growth in excess of GDP growth as baby boomers retire – about 10,000 people turn 65 every day – and the “lower-birth-rate generation” enters employment.


    But if the downward trends in birth rate and fertility continue, solvency problems could be even worse than what the experts have forecast.


    Rowe added that solvency will remain a challenge unless the programs’ eligibility rules are changed, benefits are reduced or immigration rates increase to replenish the workforce.

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    Social security is a scam. It should up to the individual to provide their own retirement fund. Why do I need the goverment to do it for me? Just because their are too many irresponsible people who can't be counted on to save for themselves, now I have to pay into something that I may never recoup.

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    People wouldn't be so afraid of open borders if the U.S did not have a long history of occupying other countries. Why do you think terrorist target the U.S.? Maybe we would do the same we had a foreign military presence here. The endless wars have consequences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by b-dolo View Post
    Social security is a scam. It should up to the individual to provide their own retirement fund. Why do I need the goverment to do it for me? Just because their are too many irresponsible people who can't be counted on to save for themselves, now I have to pay into something that I may never recoup.
    Would you make an exception for people in poor health (not due to lifestyle choices) who can't work for a living?
    Retired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hal Incandenza View Post
    Would you make an exception for people in poor health (not due to lifestyle choices) who can't work for a living?
    No exceptions. But, If I was not paying all these taxes I would have way more expendable income that could be used to fund those in need. The problem is that in the U.S. we are taxed endlessly to fund NASA, military, big government salaries etc. Maybe its a pipe dream, but many of us here, if taxes were lessened would use the money to donate for good. I have no problem giving money to handicapped people, but taxes end up in pockets of politicians and their cronies, not those in need.

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