yeah, end of the day there is zero excuse for RZA's production in the last decade. There's wucorp producers I'd take a whole clan album from before RZA's ABT-style that literally caters to no music fan in the world.
there's no reason why the person who I literally think is the greatest producer to live, makes music that atrocious
also, there is zero growth. he is doing FAR less with these beats than the incredible depth of sound layers he put on old beats. They're just different and lazy.
Last edited by Mumm Ra; 06-05-2019 at 11:48 AM.
lets be honest here, Rza is suffering from the one thing a lot of hip hop producers end up dealing with, after a while, you wanna be a musician, experiment, that illusion that you can create something incredible and out there that ignores the core rules of hip hop production. its all a case of believing your hype, actually thinking you can actually make music on the level of trained musicians who actually can create read music, sadly, as much as we love hip hop, it has its imitations in terms of expansion, you can try to expand beyond its core sound but chances are ,it will sound so outlandish or so foreign, it will alienate core fans. as much as i'm a proponent for experimentation in hip hop, i don't think this current mindset of fans are ready for that.
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Know weve spoken About this before but few months back when I was making a custom US album and saw the interview where true said he made the beat in ‘91.Originally Posted by Buddah_MAC
Couldnt find the interview now just people bringing it up on the forum.
Wu producer credits are interesting to say the least. Between guys like meth saying “rae and ghost had true master/4th” for cuban linx/ironman; and the occasional wrong credit, funny how 20 years later we still discussing who did what.
Meth said rae n Ghost had True and 4th??
And gza
“What GZA and Raekwon’s albums had that my album didn’t have was True Master. True Master did a lot of joints on Only Built 4 Cuban Linx. He did songs like ‘Assasination Day,’ ‘Fish,’ a few joints.“
https://www.complex.com/music/2011/1...ice-cream-1995
True master only credited with brooklyn zu and fish, know he references ironman songs but assassination day is listed as rza and he says a few more.
Know ive seen 4th in reference to cuban linx before but not in interviews or by 4th himself to my knowledge.
Figured youd know more than us.
Last edited by ForensikZ; 06-05-2019 at 05:06 PM.
The way he said it makes me think he's mixing up Ironman and Cuban Linx though. Because they performed these records a lot, and he just remembers the recording process. He might have never sat down to listen to the albums.
I remember from one of RZA's books that RZA did Assassination Day, because he said it was where he first played a guitar on a beat.
Its interesting that Meth even contributed to the beats back in the day though. Thanks for the link, reading it now.
Its also worth noting in 4th own lawsuit vs rza he doesny list any songs he wasnt credited as being owed money on.
https://www.scribd.com/document/3769...Al-COMPLAINT-2
Dont know if true masters suit is up there
Muggs strayed from his typical style for s bit them went back to making grimey beats...so maybe it's not too late for RZA. But he has the money to not GAF so probably not.
Well 4th did get co-producer credit for "Guillotine/Swords" on da Purple Tape. And Tru got his credit for "Brooklyn Zoo" and "Fish".
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Funny too cuz guillotines beat is on meths first and 4th coproduced sub crazy lol. Who knows
lmaooo
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Word, I forgot about “Sub Crazy”. That’s co-produced by 4th as well.
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I heard konichiwa bitches today. Crazy that RZA produced this. So many styles. I wonder if he got this from RZA's yellow box.
It's the god, god.
That was 2006, he was still using samples (or at least regularly releasing beats with samples) up until 2009/2010. His beats on 4:21 are fantastic, he should have done the whole album.
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About a year before 4:21 was released, Meth announced in an interview that his album was going to be produced by Rza in its entirety. In the same interview, he said the working title was something like Ticallion Stallion or something like that; and that he was 6 tracks deep with Rza (at the time of the interview).
Then at some point in the course of the year, him and Rza had a major falling out over some broad they were training on tour. Rza went back to jerking off about cameos in Judd Apatow flicks.
Such a shame that this version of the album didn't materialise. Judging from the Rza beats that are on 4:21(intro included), he was back to his old aesthetic quality. It really is a tragedy because with Rza truly exec producing that album, 4:21 could have been the Supreme Clientele of the naughties. Instead we get a half decent album, with fillers and commercial crap occupying the remainder. That being said, even if RZA had exec this, Def Jam would still have demanded commercial songs on here.
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