The press isn’t interesting in the truth. Their going to push their own agenda and push the ratings buttons. Aka TRUMP!!! TRUUUUMMMPP!Originally Posted by SonicRingz
They’re both guilty but the left has consistently pushed it harder and legitimized it.
Like I said, Trump is the lesser of two evils, by far.
This guy might be more right-wing than Trump (in terms of immigration) but this doesn't make him "opposite" to him. And noo, I'm not fat. But you seem kinda anti-social.
Last edited by JaSchu; 08-04-2019 at 08:50 AM.
Extremists like the shooter and some of these left and right wing nuts that post here cannot see the world outside of black and white.
It doesn’t matter that it’s Trump either because whoever would have beaten the Dems would be facing the same thing.
This whole notion that the world was at peace before 2016 just proves how short people’s memories are. These shootings will be forgotten in a couple weeks.
And in between people will still be getting murdered every day.
It’s what the sick and deranged people of humanity do. They murder people. They don’t care.
It’s never going to stop. Live your life and stop worrying about this bullshit you fucking crumbs. You’re not important.
Last edited by Dooch; 08-04-2019 at 10:07 AM.
says the petit-bourgeois who votes for Trump telling himself that his great president has nothing to do with it all.
I haven’t voted for Trump yet. But it’s become more evident each day that everyone should.
There have been mass shootings for the last 20 years. Let’s just use Columbine as the starting point for millenial sake.
It doesn’t matter who’s in office. People are going to off eachother.
Bernie or Warren or Whichever black chick you want to run out there can’t change it.
And it’s none of their fault. People make their choices.
I chose to work, pay my tax, take care of my family, my property and respect the property and rights of others. My choice.
Last edited by Dooch; 08-04-2019 at 01:13 PM.
Haha 'crumbs', thats a retro put down.
You've got a sensible attitude, but world politics is fascinating to me. Its interest to predict and watch this stuff play out, like sports teams except this stuff actually matters.
On topic, the argument for legal guns is goofy as fuck. You can say people kill people all day, but guns make it a lot easier.
I never made an argument for guns at all. In fact I didn’t even reference guns.
People will kill regardless of guns. Making them illegal won’t stop murder.
Making murder illegal hasn’t stopped people from killing.
It won’t stop. It’s a part of a part of humanity. We use it as a form of justice.
You don’t get the point at all.
And yes you are a CRUMB. Most everyone is don’t take it personal. Saying things on the internet or being more informed because of it doesn’t make you any less of one.
You can pretend you’re that important.
People want a scapegoat, it’s so easy. It’s the easiest thing to do is blame someone else, especially someone on the other side. To place it all at the feet of one person.
Well, when murder has managed to sustain itself during every era and within every civilization, you need to understand that it just comes with humanity.
It’s like conflict. It’s inevitable.
I don’t put faith into politicians or governments. I know what their uses are and why they are necessary but they have limits.
I’m for those limits so when I say Trump or conservativism is the lesser of two evils that’s what I’m referencing. Limiting government power. Not abolishing it, but keeping it in check.
People seem to get that confused because government is constantly sticking its nose in where it doesn’t belong.
I see people riding a popular trend of socialism or heightened government control. That’s their right. Their choice.
I don’t agree and don’t understand the hypocrisy of the people who push it, but I also don’t understand why anyone would want to be a mass murderer.
You said politics is like a game to you....
Well that’s the problem. It’s become a big game, a sporting match, and it’s not. It never was intended to be one.
Nobody finds it interesting that Trump tweeted that we have to stop these “invaders” at any cost.
Dude shoots up the place trying to stop “invaders”.
Trump deletes all all recent tweets where he mentioned invaders.
Robby and Gooch, you don’t think he was a Trump supporter but Trump certainly does.
Yeah I was being facetious when I said its like sports to me. And I never said you said anything about guns, I was just making a general point.
My point is that its really obvious that you can limit the amount of people that get murdered if you ban guns. Every other civilized country without guns proves this. People will always murder, fine we've already established that. You can't convince me that the same loner weirdos at breaking point are going to be able to rack up the same kill count with a knife or home made bomb. Why make things easier for these people.
That’s to easy, to put it on a President. It’s like putting antifa on Obama.
These extremist groups exist all the time no matter what. No matter where.
If people who watch politics as a game want to use these murders as a reason to be for or against something I guess this works for you.
People twist words into their own agenda all the time.
Most of the people who do this are psychopaths and sociopaths. Those aren’t mental diseases, their personality traits that have always existed in the history of human beings.
We all know them in our lives. Some are crazy enough to murder.
A couple months from now they’re will be another shooting. Tomorrow there will be dozens of murders across the country. Women will continue to get raped. People will get robbed, assaulted.
Lol... you can’t stop it from happening. It’s going to happen. There’s not answer. You go out there and take your chances and watch your back and attempt to make good choices and hope you aren’t in the wrong place at the wrong time.
It’s not that deep.
Last edited by Dooch; 08-04-2019 at 03:23 PM.
Yea again I’ve never really been for or against gun control. People like you just assume things because you like to generalize, which is the worst thing you can do, but everyone does it.
Look if we could magically take away all guns and guarantee it, sure sounds great. But when you talk about disarming citizens but keeping law enforcement and government security armed, that’s a hypocrisy. And if you think those groups are giving up their protection you’ve got your head in the sand.
They’re not nor will they ever. Maybe it doesn’t matter. Like I said we are all crumbs.
But I don’t care either way because I can’t do anything to stop it. Theyre going to take what they want whether I have a gun or not.
Only thing a gun can do for me is protect me from criminals in my vicinity. If you can guarantee that nobody can get access to them then sure, ban them.
But they can’t. And they know they can’t. Not unless they start moving in like Stalin and cracking heads.
Like I said, I wasn't saying you specifically felt some way about guns. Just brought it up because people were talking about the shooting.
Its possible to have exceptions without it feeling like a hypocrisy. Most western countries have special guards and police with guns for certain situations and there's little backlash against that.
But yeah thats the main obstacle, people who cling to the gun rights as if they're some kind of law of nature. It doesn't seem impossible, but it would be very difficult. The gun laws could at least first be increasingly tightened in advance of an outright ban. But yeah its all theoretical and whatever. The gun debates are just phony to me, they should stop blaming so-ci-ety, alt right, sad loners or whatever it is that week and acknowledge some complicity in the situation.
The stricter gun laws have really improved cities such as chicago. the gangs have listened and gave up a lot of their stolen guns. it's been a while since 72 people were shot in one weekend there. i think an average weekend in the summer only has about 45 shootings now.
Guns are not going anywhere. You can make them illegal enforce harsher penalties but that’s not going to stop the psychopaths and the murderers.
The death penalty and life imprisonment hasn’t stopped people from murdering.
Any sort of law won’t stop people from getting guns who want them.
You would have to ban manufacturing of all weapons to achieve it and go on a world wide crusade to destroy all of them. Good luck.
Not unless you want to go full on authoritarian government.
So it’s not happening.
You already said this. We've already established that some people will probably always want to kill other people, which is a good reason to not let citizens own perfectly designed people killing machines.
To reiterate, look at Europe, Japan etc for a clear example. Guns are very difficult to get hold of, so people (for the most part) don't bother getting hold of them and the murder rates are much lower.
You don't have to stop all guns being made or expect all murders to cease, you just have to have a handle on the situation. You can't stop people manufacturing heroin either but it doesn't follow that it should be legalized.
I know all the reasons why it won't happen but its a highly ridiculous situation.
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