Honestly, religion makes sense

[TSA]

Idk if i've already made this thread but yeah, the older I get the more religion makes sense. When you're young you just want to be a care bear and 'challenge' things with your extra deep 17 year old brain. As you get older, at least fo' me, you start seeing wisdom in places you didn't see them before.

Frankly, I think religion is an outward projection of the human mind and how it categorizes and observes things, and there's nothing we can do about it. It's better to have some sort of standardized balance and measures system rather than everyone running around thinking they're choosing their own. Because you can't choose your own unless you're educated on the matrix of your own mind, which you're not because you barely know it's there.

No matter what someone or something will be your Jesus. So it's better a factious homosexual that was nice than Donald Trump or food or porn. Religious is viciously stupid, but it's actually less stupid than unhindered human beings. Nobody is non-religious and it's better to spend some time addressing and understanding that part of your self than to pretend it's not there. People are actively using the construct to manipulate you in ways no mosque or church can fathom.

If you pretend there's a line were you cross and ending up in the thing called 'canada' and another thing called 'the united states' and still think you're not religious or you 'believe in science' you're bugged out. I'm not religious at all but I 'get it' enough to respect it more than before.

[TSA]

You go to a religious household, have dinner with them. Then go to a non-religious household and have dinner with them. I'm willing to believe that if you did this 100 times on each side you'll convert to mormonism.

[Dooch]

Yea. I agree.

Most Spiritual people share an understanding about humility, decency and community.

I wouldn’t call myself religious either. I don’t pray, I’m not active in church, but I do live by the set of values it taught me.

I think it’s needed for communities. I’ve met a ton of AA recovered addicts who do it though finding God. And that doesn’t meant they become bible salesman or preachers.

It’s a safety net for people.


I went through a phase in my late teens early 20’s where It’s funny to poke fun at it but thatS just immaturity.

[ShaDynasty]

There's too many different angles to viewing religion.

Yes, it provides some communal benefits, some structure for less stable people but it's also full of ridiculous dogma that those same less stable people get obsessed with. It encourages cloudy thinking.

I've said before on here that a lot (most? It's difficult to tell given how most societies punish dissenters) of people seem to need something to believe in whether it's religion, nationalism, socialism etc. They fulfil the same needs for people.

I still have to counter that myself, and many other people do have some knowledge/self awareness of that part of our brains, and thus don't gain any benefit to believing (or pretending to believe, as TSA appears to be advocating) in a bunch of ancient superhero stories.

Sure, it's the easiest and most comforting way of keeping your shit together if you live somewhere uneducated and full of poverty, but I don't. I was too old for it when I was a kid.

[TSA]

It isn't beneficial to community. It is community. The entire human construct of reality is make believe and faith that others share your make believe. Driving on a road and strongly believing the person going to the other way won't cross into your side and kill the both of you is an entirely religious concept. There's nothing rational about it, and it works. You can spend 50-60 years of your life questioning whether it will work, or debating how dumb it is, or you can just get in your car and drive to where you want safely. There are places in the world where that line doesn't exist and it has never made traffic better.

The issue is most ppl are exposed to Christianity which is the dumbest religion of them all. Even Islamd is better. But when you meet Christians they're consistently great, reliable, selfless people.

Sales people, TV networks, the internet, and every company that's worth it's salt firmly acknowledges that this is how the human mind works and manipulates it to get you to buy stuff and be depressed so you can buy more stuff. Apple is literally a mega-church. So you might as well go to church/temple etc and build community around trying to be a good, chill person than buying stupid shit because it's THE FUTURE and INNOVATION.

Yeah sure you don't end up believing muhammed went to heaven on a flame horse or whatever, but you also end up convincing yourself that procreating (as a mammal) is idiotic because 'there's not enough resources'.

Notice how people keep thinking they're getting smarter and smarter but the religions they make are dumber and dumber. The Orthodox church is dumber than Judaism, Catholicism dumber than the Orthodox church. Protestantism dumber than catholicism. All these kool-aid cults dumber than Protestantism. Scientology is dumber than the kool-aid cults etc. Because the people that first put these things down have a more holistic understanding of humanity than us and they know exactly what they meant when they said the nigga moses walked for 40 days and 40 nights.

Then someone will come out with HOW TO DO X in 40 DAYS and people will buy it thinking religion is dumb. I've been studying african religions and nigga, this shit is actually real life. humans aren't rational and it's best to keep and eye on and respect your irrational side because it's the basis of at least 50% of your existence. Unless you actually think you're in a place called 'The United Kingdom' or whatever.

[TSA]

Like look at Christmas. People will think they're meta-tron level deep by saying 'it's SATURNALIA' it's 'A PAGAN HOLIDAY' and it's 'stupid'. But what if people before you noticed that the time of the year with the least amount of sunlight makes people who are alone extremely depressed and dangerous to themselves and others? What if the time of the year with the least sunlight would be the best time to have a gathering holiday where you give and receive things, or spend as much time as possible singing to and with strangers, eating and not thinking about yourself?

It's completely irrational but what if Christmas isn't SATURNALIA and is actually a solution to an issue that every suicide hotline, mental health ward, prison, and single room apartment complex is having a hard time dealing with.


What if the aries constellation is actually the time of the year furthest from harvest, and it would be advisable at that time to abstain from eating too much and settling old disputes? You can call it lent, or passover, or ramadan but could you actually can't solve that problem without a common make believe and visible levers of influence and control by it a clergy or a shared fiction ass tradition.

[ShaDynasty]

Religion arose from community, but it's not community. At one point in human history there was no christianity, no hinduism, and some point before that there was nothing even resembling a religion.

I agree that money based and political ideologies are a worse replacement, but it's tough to see what else could happen. The world is a lot more complicated than when those goofy books were written.

[TSA]

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I don't agree though. I don't think religion has ever been separate from human thinking and being. I think as social functions became more compartmentalized we gave it a name but it's basically a standardization of ordinary human thought. You can't even have money without the concept of shared make-belief. People think religions 'borrow' from each other when in truth they're all pointing to the same thing, and 100,000 of built of knowledge will always be better than the idiotic nonsense we think we're coming up with now. We're all going to have a shared make-believe, it might as well be one engineered by someone dead that has no ability to gain from it at the moment.

Like DOOTCH said about the AA 12 step program he proudly retired from. Entirely religious and works. From the outside looking in they've basically acknowledged that the ordinary human desire to connect to it's concept of God has been supplanted with drinking alcohol. So why not just believe in God instead of alcohol, Tai Lopez, drugs, porn, apple phones and 'the founding fathers'?

Even the ignorant shit in most religions makes perfect sense if you're willing to look at them critical and have a decent level of exposure in life. Like when god told that nigga to kill his gay ass son. Nigga, that's shit's literally poppin tf.

How is it that a judge slams a piece of wood against a surface and the entire world complies with whatever he or she just said. Nigga that's literally voodoo. You think Chappelle keeps banging his mic against his leg cause he thinks he's THAT funny or because he knows that does something to your FUCC ass mind?

[Sense-A]

Jesus Christ is your Lord and Savior.

[ShaDynasty]

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I don't agree though. I don't think religion has ever been separate from human thinking and being. I think as social functions became more compartmentalized we gave it a name but it's basically a standardization of ordinary human thought. You can't even have money without the concept of shared make-belief. People think religions 'borrow' from each other when in truth they're all pointing to the same thing, and 100,000 of built of knowledge will always be better than the idiotic nonsense we think we're coming up with now. We're all going to have a shared make-believe, it might as well be one engineered by someone dead that has no ability to gain from it at the moment.

Like DOOTCH said about the AA 12 step program he proudly retired from. Entirely religious and works. From the outside looking in they've basically acknowledged that the ordinary human desire to connect to it's concept of God has been supplanted with drinking alcohol. So why not just believe in God instead of alcohol, Tai Lopez, drugs, porn, apple phones and 'the founding fathers'?

Even the ignorant shit in most religions makes perfect sense if you're willing to look at them critical and have a decent level of exposure in life. Like when god told that nigga to kill his gay ass son. Nigga, that's shit's literally poppin tf.

How is it that a judge slams a piece of wood against a surface and the entire world complies with whatever he or she just said. Nigga that's literally voodoo. You think Chappelle keeps banging his mic against his leg cause he thinks he's THAT funny or because he knows that does something to your FUCC ass mind?

What you're talking about is Intersubjectivity, of which religion is just one of many examples. All the other apes (and many other animals) have a moral code when it comes to community without a religion, we just happen to be smart enough to invent elaborate fictions like that.

I agree with part of what you're saying, though you're kind of repeating yourself.

"why not just believe in God instead of alcohol, Tai Lopez, drugs, porn, apple phones and 'the founding fathers'?"

Believing in god doesn't preclude believing in any of the others. Also it's not like the world was this magical utopia a few hundred years ago when people were more religious. It was oppressive, ignorant and way more violent per capita.

Anyway I could go on for days but people will do what they want, if it works for you on a personal level, mazeltov. I'm not joining, and that goes for any kind of socialist, capitalist, nationalist nonsense ideologies too.

[Dooch]

The guys that get sober, get some sort of spirituality.

The guys that don’t are usually the ones that just cannot humble themselves. “I don’t need that shit!” “It’s a fucking cult!”

Some people can do it on their own. But most people need a network of other like minded people to lean on.

I’ve never had a bad experience with religion in my 10 years of catholic school. It was a small parish amongst a suburb of several parishes.

We had parish picnics, CYO leagues. It was a little community within your own community. It makes you feel part of something bigger, connected to the world and existence in a way that is good for a young person.

You grow up and you question it, and maybe you go another way, but at least you were given that view.

[TSA]

you can have intersubjectivity without a concept of God being expressed in the zeitgeist you share with others. But 'god' isn't something you create. It's something within you you give a name and nature and share with others. So if you take away that name and nature, and think you've escaped and for some reason everyone society ends up following there after uses that internal archetype to get you to buy courses on self improvement, you really have to wonder.

I don't think religion is something we make up. It's something internal that we're giving language to like math. It also incorporates elements of nature, again given alternate names (which are only alternate cause our language is divorced from them).

You can say you don't believe in spirits but there's a reason they don't want you to know where Bin Laden is buried, and a reason people get biopics and statues. So either we acknowledge that the irrationality being commodified by religion is actually just normal human thinking, or we ignore it and leave the ones that can gain from it to be fully invested into commodifying it on their terms.

You can not believe in God but whenever someone is on a platform and is above everyone's head, everyone shuts up, looks at them, and takes what they're saying more seriously than normal. hmmmm....hmmm

[TSA]

The guys that get sober, get some sort of spirituality.

The guys that don’t are usually the ones that just cannot humble themselves. “I don’t need that shit!” “It’s a fucking cult!”

Some people can do it on their own. But most people need a network of other like minded people to lean on.

I’ve never had a bad experience with religion in my 10 years of catholic school. It was a small parish amongst a suburb of several parishes.

We had parish picnics, CYO leagues. It was a little community within your own community. It makes you feel part of something bigger, connected to the world and existence in a way that is good for a young person.

You grow up and you question it, and maybe you go another way, but at least you were given that view.

I think you hit the nail on the head about the humbling yourself. I had real issues with that when I was younger and into adulthood. I don't think it would have changed anything but I would be a fool to say there aren't any benefits when religious people and families are consistently stable in comparison to the opposite. It wasn't raised religious (my mom took us to church, but she didn't make it a 'thing' unless we were into it - and we weren't). I think a lot of the things that get insulted in society are actually very necessary. I've gotten older and started looking at it again now that I know what a family is and how important it is to decentralize yourself every now and then to gain perspective. Especially the catholic church since it's a great introduction to structure and community and is regulated enough to not dive into being ridiculous, outside of molesting.

In judaism you can't even start learning Kabbalah until you're 40. In my culture you don't start doing anything religious until your married and have a child. up to that point even someone gives you water in a desert you'll argue it away.

I believe that soberity is linked with an ability (keyword ability) to believe. Something has to allow you to stop being the main character of the earth. I think that's why a lot of young girls become reasonable once they have kids and are absolutely insufferable prior.

[b-dolo]

You guys way overthink things. Religion exist because people are afraid to die. It honestly freaks them out they have no idea what's coming.
TSA saying christians are reliable,selfless and so on. that's laughable, where you finding those christians consistently.

[The Hound]

Lmao, religion is retarded. The goal of organised religions is to control the mass populations and extort wealth + resources from their "community" Everyone loves to laugh and mock Scientology but their extortion of wealth and stupidly illogical fan fiction is no more outlandish than any of the major religions out there it's just that Scientology was invented during our life time but people think that ancient texts are real.

Apart from being indoctrinated by their indoctrinated families the main selling point of religion to the mass populations is that it's a coping mechanism for death; people still haven't come to terms with the fact that death is inevitable so they find comfort in the "afterlife" Jews believe they'll go an listen to Moses "build" Christians believe if you repent your sins on deaths door you can go to heaven or if Santa says you're naughty you go to hell, Muslims believe they'll get a farm of virgins lmao Buddhists think they'll get rewarded and do it all again and even Atheists use the "it's just fade to black like the Sopranos" as a major selling point to not believing.

Do any of the major "organised religions" not treat women like total shit? Women are blamed for ruining the world on page 2 of the bible lol Muslims treat women the worst of anyone on the planet. Buddhists think people with disability are being punished for what happened in a past life which is totally stupid but western people love K A R M A

People who "find god" after being an alcoholic do so because they've found what was missing or what they drove away in their life which was the cause of/because of their alcoholism: human connection. Religious groups prey on the vulnerable and recovering addicts are amongst the most vulnerable people in society. Religion itself played no part in the recovery and you can get the exact same sense of community through a hundred other avenues in life: I grew up playing multiple sports all year round and that was my community and gained friendships that I still maintain to this day.

Are we also going to pretend that almost every war that ever happened wasn't influenced by religion in one way or another? The world and humanity would have been infinitely better off had earlier humans not worked out that 99% of humans love to be controlled because it's the easy path in life to take and religion still holds everything back until this day