his book went triple uranium
raekwon gets even more desperate for clout....declares war on a z list wu tang member
his book went triple uranium
Jokes aside, the fact that he got a mainstream publisher like Simon & Schuster to publish his book is astonishing. I had a friend take his own life because that same publisher rejected his novel after stringing him along for too longOriginally Posted by mr rusev
People are calling this a RZA/Wu smear campaign.
Not a good look for anyone involved.
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He called RZA a cult leader, implied that Ghost & Aaliyah were a thing and so on. I know its at least partly to push his sales but its a bad look.
I honestly don’t know what Rae think’s he’s revealing here? Everyone knows Divine and to a lesser extent Rza are shady? Rza’s a good dude though.
More and more this looks like a RZA/Wu smear campaign. Which is dumb if you think about it. People are talking about this soap opera bullshit, instead of his book. Even saw the comments on YT saying just because he talks like a talk, doesn't mean he is not on some soap opera drama. (Plus I wonder if RZA will notice any of this on a professional level.)
And by now it should be clear that Vlad is fishing for headlines, clickbait & drama. He always hears two sides of the same story. And would rarely ask the other side for comments. In this case it is well documented that Divine was a business man doing business, and some of the guys were on a friend level saying it ain't right. Only an opening of the books could tell the through story about the finances of Wu. For now we are left with some TMZ E! type headlines shit. And a very sour & angry Raekwon putting his leader on blast.
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Never heard the Ghostface and Aaliyah thing before. I guess that explains some of the Wu Tang/Rocafella beef. I wonder if Raekwon will Prodigy himself with his book and make everybody hate him after it is released?
It's why RZA made Gravel Pit intended for Aaliyah (back back, forth & forth)- she was around during those W sessions b/c she was w/ Ghost for a minute.
Post your footnotes please.
That's dope if its true. I love the song as is, but I can easily hear her voice on that.
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Dope.
Is this in Rae's book?
I was going to ask... from any perspective... be it from a street perspective or a professional perspective or whatever, how do you guys feel about anyone for that matter speaking on issues in the fashion issues are spoken about on a platform like Vlad's or Breakfast Club, etc. This airing out of what seems to be private issues or speaking accusations without the opposing party (the accused) present to defend themselves on the spot... how do you guys feel about that and be honest about it.
I'm asking because for years I contemplated partaking in the same fashion against accusations publically thrown at me and always at the last minute I pulled out because as tempting as it was to defend yourself or show evidence or strike back with the actual truth of things, I never wanted to be pulled into this game. It felt like something below my standards of professional conduct.
But if you think of it, there are times where I, like anyone, enjoy anecdotal stories about how albums were made, what song was almost cut, who came up with the idea of, etc etc. And truth be told, it is fascinating to hear what really happened behind the scenes of certain groups and labels and between people etc. But ofcourse, it's never what really happened. It's what happened according to the person telling it.
Having been on the side of being accused of things, I've tried to ride it out and stay quiet. But when I watch Vlad's stuff, whomever artist is being interviewed, it feels like most these artists have wounds to speak about, wrongs they need to right, rights that were wronged and so the whole thing almost seems like therapy. The question then becomes, should this therapy version of interviews happen on a public platform or should this really happen behind closed doors.
Accussations that occur one sided can really damage reputations these days. It's a dangerous liberty to have because it's powerful enough to destroy.
I'm happy to see some comments lean towards balance and witholding of judgement. But I wonder if we'd all be happy if we wouldn't hear about private issues as much anymore, or if by nature we're inclined to find far more interest in gossip and despite of what we say about it, we'd always listen.
Because the problem isn't Vlad, he does his job and he does it very well, like it or not. Noone pushed anyone to say anything. An invite is extended and then declined or accepted. If accepted, a question is asked and then answered voluntarily. You know what you're up for once you sit on that chair.
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The behind the scenes stories that come forward via things like Breakfast Club, Drink Champs or Vlad are pretty interesting. And they give us a colorful view inside the kitchen when some of our favourite albums were being cooked up. I'm all in for those.
But when it comes to accusations, like Rae going off at RZA or Divine in his recent VladTV interview. That is when it breaks for me nowadays. Because it shows that there is something that has not been talked about in a while, and you are now airing your dirty laundry out in the public. This might grab headlines in a short term, and will keep you talked about. The danger here is that that negativity will keep being associated with your brand, and the accused party. Plus it undermines the work you may have been trying to put in for you music or book.
Besides that, it is like I said earlier a one sides view if the other party is not asked for a reply. Because it would be nice to see what the other party had to say about a certain situation. For example, you could have a situation where you claim X was a cult leader during the recording session of Y. Only the person claiming this was always coming in late, drunk, stoned, in short unable to perform, according to X. And that might be why this was going on. Details like this are pretty important I think.
Now you could do an interview with the other party. Only that would create the possibility of creating a ping pong match in the media where you keep shouting stuff at each other through outlets. Something I think we saw around 2008 during the 8 Diagrams release. With the Clan you are actually talking about a group of brothers of the sort. And they apparently can't call each other to discuss some grievances, and work it out. Which in turn is sort of a bad show to the public, because you used to be tight knit group. But nowadays you don't even call/talk to each other any more?
What would work? If there are accusations, in articles about something, the writers tend to ask for a reaction on this. But a live interview? Could something with both parties actually work? Or are we approaching Jerry Springer or some therapy session?
Good point about Vlad though. He does not push anyone, though sometimes his questions seem to be leading to me. The artists still answers, though I wonder if they have the ability to cut some stuff?
Lol, just remembered that U-God interview with Vlad. He wasn't that happy in that one either. Almost makes me think that they guys should go on a holiday in a mansion together for a month or so and just drop M to talk some shit through. Now that would be therapeutic.
Truth be told, the first 30 seconds of C.R.E.A.M. are pretty soothing.
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Masta Killa handled Vlad like a G. Once he sensed fed like questioning you literally see him stop, smile, then give even more chill and peaceful answers than his previously chill and peaceful answers. U-God wasn't playing with him either lol
But what happened w/ wutang is pretty obvious. Rza was taking care of everything while the others were getting taken care of. All mistakes and incompetencies fell on Rza. The other member's previous ignorance about the music industry and business fell on Rza. The results of their unseriousness fell on Rza. Rza, seeing how much the put on him, decided to take more control of the operation because he's most competent and if it fails they'll put it on him anyways.
Rza also favored certain members, namely his best friend, Ghost. Ghost got songs from other ppl albums and you can hear the level of effort being significantly higher on Ironman as far as production and budget. Rza also signed Ghost on directly because he was setting him up to be a big star and missed the chance with Method Man.
The rest of the group got jealous of the Ghost situation, and even more jealous of Method Man for his natural (inevitable) level of success and appeal.
Method Man, who is fueled by vibes and fun, got unmotivated once the hate from the other members got too heavy, especially since he, like Rza, were pulling a disproportionate amount of weight as far as dedication and seriousness.
The element that made them all believe in the project was dirty. As he became more caught up in drugs and spiralled out of control, they were stuck with each other. Like being at a that everyone came to drink at but someone took all the alcohol and left.
Rae likely led that hater shit because he competitive and he (and ghost who was also probably a hater) were picking issues with ppl Method Man had professional relationships with (Puff, Big, mobb deep eventually etc)
Method Man started having more fun elsewhere with Redman who doesn't get jealous and can hold his own as far as presence and effort.
Rza, now having full control and being strange as all hell, starting making things more Rza-ish. This is a vital ingredient but I get the sense that dirt, ghost rae and ugod keep his nerdiness in check
As the music got nerdier the audience got whiter and bigger but they lost the 'source' (the hood).
Rza saw this as an opening, the rest saw it as a weakness.
Wutang fell out of hip hop conversations but gained a bigger audience.
Divine and Power were clearly stealing everyone's money. Rza was to to an extent, but it was mainly divine and power. The group is held together solely by the respect they all have for Rza so losing that is too expensive for any of them to risk, which is why it's easy for Rza to calm them down and keep it together but hard for them to be open about the issues they were having under his watch.
Rae and Ghost are extremely pissed about Rza's money politics. Rza took advantage of the collective's ignorance about business to enrich himself. Method Man would rather be around people that aren't haters but still has love for the group. Ol Dirty being inactive, then dying too the 'focus' away from what they liked about the project and onto what pissed them off.
Rza can't be blamed because ultimately laziness and entitlement made the incomes unbalanced, but he likely only disclosed info when asked rather than up front.
Rza got tired of dealing with brain midgets, but doesn't know how to go about not doing that because he's a hood nigga.
Divine is clearly not allowed to be in the picture anymore
Rae and Ghost feel out over Stapleton v. Park Hill shit among their circles ( what would become cream team and theodore) and likely Rae being a hater.
Rae is still necessary to keep shit from getting too goofy (a better tomorrow etc) and detached from reality, but Rza don't respect his input anymore so he has to turn up the volume to force Rza's hand (going public). Rza not being willing to listen to the others and not having dirty who he fully respects, or Gza who is clearly tapped out of Wutang and will be active in small controlled doses, makes him a 1 man echo chamber and Rza alone isn't good but Rza plus others is great.
Deck feels robbed and the rest of the members think he was robbed too, but he's also the victim of not having personal hustle. Masta Killa is just happy to hang out and is a fan of the group more than the other group members so he's not bothered and is generally enlightened. Ugod will tell you exactly what's pissing him off. Cappadonna is what all the members of the group want to be, but being 'old special ed with the plate in the head' gets i the way and frustrates his efforts (but it doesn't bother him)
They'll all older now and realize they, not Rza was the problem. Rza equates his mistakes to listening to them too much (which there's evidence of him being right).
Seems Raekwon is desperate for clout lately.... not a good look for the Wu
N.I.
@ Cilva : I wouldn't go on the record to set things straight. Even when you back up what happened with evidence (messages etc) a lot of people will still not be inclined to believe it. trust me, I know from experience both online and offline -don't we all for that matter?
You risk coming off like Rae, Uey and the likes - permanently ill-tempered and petty seeming. While maybe in real life they are not.
It's different when you just share historical anecdotes that don't put anyone involved in a bad light. Then of course, people STILL take offense to their name just being mentioned, so it's a difficult call.
Do you, stay healthy, let the musical output and other forms of artistry speak for itself.
It is VERY hard to win a shouting war. People will be telling 65% of truth and mix that with 35% of stuff that makes them come off better than with really happened in a situation. It's just not worth it.
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