How stupid was the narrative wu fell off after forever? (HAPPY THANKSGIVING)

[ForensikZ]

Remember how everyone said wu fell off in 98. Lmao. Remember how good we had it boys?

nigga please by dirty IZ a CLASSSSIC

cappadonna the pillage is a CLASSIC.

supreme clientele is a classic

raekwons 98 he was lead single for 10 major label releases. + immobilarity. Completed bogarted 98 and people think he fell off

meth tical 2000 is dope and has CLASSICS. Meth also bogarted the gane as boackout was also CLASSIC and he was on many major singles at the time. He coulda dropped 2 albums with all his material atvthe time.

ghost dog is a CLASSIC. deck played himself saying it was wack. Cause his album aint a classic and ghost dog is.

that and 10 other albums dropped. A new wu albuk by affiliate ir rapper wver month. Most were good albums. Very few duds minus ugod, deck, popa wu and buddha monk albums.

everything wu tang was great. The W and beneath the surface both have their own charms as the years go on. Sunz of man. Killarmy. Shyheim. Pop the brown hornet. L.A.D. American cream team.

The swarm was great. Wu chrinicals 1 was really good with a lot of that 96 era wu stuff.

bobby digital is still a great album and digital bullet was better.

we had it good and so many people conplained. Wu eclipsed nas and jay to me during this period. Idgaf.

im just sayin. Be thankful for what you got today. Happy thanksgiving

[David Daniel Davis]

I think they mean fell off as a group, which is true because all of the albums after 36 Chambers and Forever do not measure up

[ForensikZ]

The w is a b+ album on its worst day. Still some of there best work. People just were tired of their monopoly on the game

[Holocaust]

oddly enough, they sounded like they did on forever on cilvaringz solo lp

[SL33]

People hate on The W for no reason.

The W opened the door for younger fans and wider audience through Gravel Pit which was a popular hit (even though Wu-fundamentalists hate that track) and Snoop, Busta and Redman features.

Lyrically it was dumbed down, but that was the trend of the entire industry at that time.

The album had excellent hidden tracks, it was generally dark and sounded dirty.

After all, it reached platinum on December 14, 2000.

[MikeAll]

People hate on The W for no reason.

The W opened the door for younger fans and wider audience through Gravel Pit which was a popular hit (even though Wu-fundamentalists hate that track) and Snoop, Busta and Redman features.

Lyrically it was dumbed down, but that was the trend of the entire industry at that time.

The album had excellent hidden tracks, it was generally dark and sounded dirty.

After all, it reached platinum on December 14, 2000.

LOVE it! Last FAV Clan album that had a Clan (fam) feel and album (cohesive body of work thematically sequenced) vibe. Really appreciate how the song topics, skits etc flow! For best effect its best to consume whole in one setting straight thru like a film. Yeah "Gravel Pit" was a hit and ft non Wu Members as MCs was smart move to expand audience.

Also loved the 3 videos w time machine eley STORY plus "Cant Go to Sleep" as well. Wu Tang Clan CLASSIC!!!!!!!!!
PEACE

[MikeAll]

The w is a b+ album on its worst day. Still some of there best work. People just were tired of their monopoly on the game

LOVE this Wu Tang Clan CLASSIC!!!!!!!!!

"Fall off" is prolly too harsh a word as still dropped some classic material post Forever. However, Forever was their "commercial" peak billboard, Rage tour etc and after that there (pop) start status dimmed. Hard to shine w true school Hip Hop in jiggy shiny suit era lol

What did Cormega say in "Radiant Jewels"... "fell back, pause fell off never!" WU TANG FOREVER SUUUUUUUUU
PEACE

[ShaDynasty]

I would argue they never fell off lyrically, although they've definitely had some lazy moments over the last 20 years.

In the 2000s era a lot of fresh artists got really popular like Dipset, Eminem, 50 Cent, Kanye, Clipse etc so Wu got sidelined, plus the beef with Hot 97 didn't help.

From 05-09, Hip Hop was in pretty bad shape and Wu and affiliates were one of the few crews consistently dropping good new music, 8 Diagrams will probably always be overlooked.

The last 10 years have some nice highlights but have been generally underwhelming, ABT is a poor way to end their discography. I know they've talked about another album, but egos and money are probably getting in the way of that.

[Jet Set]

The narrative is not that dumb. Sure, some tracks were good. But some of those albums, like Immobilarity were just not that good. They just were not on the level as they were before, and more following. Plus, it was not the unit. Hmmm, maybe they did not fell off, but they sure fell apart.

From 05-09, Hip Hop was in pretty bad shape and Wu and affiliates were one of the few crews consistently dropping good new music, 8 Diagrams will probably always be overlooked.

The last 10 years have some nice highlights but have been generally underwhelming, ABT is a poor way to end their discography. I know they've talked about another album, but egos and money are probably getting in the way of that.

05-09 was weird. The sound of albums and productions was weird too, because they thought they could do it all cheaper with computers. But you can hear that they did not invest in some mixing and mastering sometimes.

It would be a shame if they were to sign off on ABT. Thank god that Ringz gave them OUATIS. Some of those members should be a lot happier about that.

[ShaDynasty]

The narrative is not that dumb. Sure, some tracks were good. But some of those albums, like Immobilarity were just not that good. They just were not on the level as they were before, and more following. Plus, it was not the unit. Hmmm, maybe they did not fell off, but they sure fell apart.

05-09 was weird. The sound of albums and productions was weird too, because they thought they could do it all cheaper with computers. But you can hear that they did not invest in some mixing and mastering sometimes.

It would be a shame if they were to sign off on ABT. Thank god that Ringz gave them OUATIS. Some of those members should be a lot happier about that.

In every practical sense OUATIS doesn't count though. For instance it definitely doesn't fit into this discussion about whether they fell off or not, because none of us have heard it.

You can see why RZA doesn't want to take charge anymore. He just needs 4-5 verses from each member (guys hes known all his life who he basically put on) which is not a huge ask. Meanwhile he also has to rap, make all the beats, get the best out of each member for the album vision, then promote it and also deal with the business side. You can bet Raekwon is not going to put up the money for the producers he wants on a Clan album.

[SL33]

Ah yes, snaps, claps, and overusage of synth sounds were the trademark of that era. And hip-hop became global and Europe became legitimate market for G-unit, Eminem, Jay-z and others.

Then you had the south coming strong with crunk and the earliest form of trap.

Off-topic, I sometimes think Kanye saved hip-hop by keeping sample-based music in the mainstream - Wu's influence on him is undeniable.

[Jet Set]

In every practical sense OUATIS doesn't count though. For instance it definitely doesn't fit into this discussion about whether they fell off or not, because none of us have heard it.

You can see why RZA doesn't want to take charge anymore. He just needs 4-5 verses from each member (guys hes known all his life who he basically put on) which is not a huge ask. Meanwhile he also has to rap, make all the beats, get the best out of each member for the album vision, then promote it and also deal with the business side. You can bet Raekwon is not going to put up the money for the producers he wants on a Clan album.

I get your point for people not having heard it. But other than that, I don't since it is still labelled a Clan album. Much like ABT was labelled a Clan album and RZA had to go through some shit to get the verses from Rae (https://www.billboard.com/music/rb-h...lbum-6084816/#!). Plus, going by the features, this is a Clan album people have been fiending for with Sin & Shy next to the Generals.

Hasn't Rae been trying to get outside producers on for a minute, and RZA been blocking it because it takes a piece of the pie? I think Rae had a bit about this in his book. In that case, it goes back to what Rae was fighting about earlier, money. He wants the contract to be in order. Power & Divine still eating from those Clan records. Even the new ones I believe.

[ShaDynasty]

Well RZA could say theres 10 unreleased Clan albums. If you haven't heard them, what difference does it make?

[Kutman]

The music wasn't as strong as pre-98

[Hollow Dartz]

I agree with this. I even made a thread about this a long time ago. 98-02 the clan were lyrically better than they were in the golden era. Only thing missing was the "group" feeling. They were still dropping bangers at the time excluding Immobalarity, Nigga Please, Uncontrolled Substance & Redemption. Everything else was bangers and they were rhyming better than ever. Rae was killing everything he was on, Ghost brought them back with SC, it's a shame what happened to the Original BW album Ghost would've had the game in a chokehold. T-2000 was a banger minus the 20 skits lol. Bobby Digital album was nice. Beneath the Surface banger. 98-99 was also the year of the Killa Beez: Priest, Killarmy, sunz of man, swarm vol 1, La the darkman..etc so many good albums dropped. But the landscape of hip hop was changing so I can see why other people moved on somewhat. I don't think Wu really fell off until after the dropped the Sting...03-08 were bad years for the Wu thats when I really think they fell off...