The Illuminati

[moktail]

since we are on the subject of the Illuminati, surely you guys know that originally hundreds of years ago the Illuminati was a group of scientists trying to prove or "illuminate" the people that science coincides with religion. however, the church at the time didnt want any part of that and wanted strictly religion on its own terms, with no proof or theories of creation and so on.

regarding Icke, his reptillion theory is kinda wild, but believable because of much of his evidence. ive read most of his "Infinite Love is the Only Reality, Everything else is an Illusion", which has alot of stuff on reptillians and how we are connected to the "Matrix" and how it relates to the Illuminati. Nevertheless, if we do know all this, we cant do much. even if school systems are run to "program us", we cant do much because we wont be successful if we have that "education". Believing all that does not exclude us from paying taxes, among other aspects of life.

an example is from "Infinite Love is the Only Reality, Everything else is an Illusion", where Icke states that his wife got a ticket in the UK, and he still had to pay regardless of his defense saying that you cannot pay a debt (the ticket) with a debt (money). he states that money is a debt to the government and its illegal to pay a debt with a debt. the court ignored his argument, and he still had to pay. therefore, even with his knowledge, he is not exempt from the control in government.

Additionally, one must keep in mind that Icke needs to make a living, so he'll keep making new "facts" and new discoveries about the Illuminati. I highly doubt the Illuminati still exists because a real secret society we wouldnt know about.

thank you

[soul controller]

nice post,

well reading his latest books, you would knwo he has got into quantum physics/mechanis and the reality of nature,

you would also know of the dna transmitting and recieving data, and our sences, interpreting waves, that our mind decodes,, so we have can use our 5 sences(even tho b4 they are encoded, our mind filters out stuff, that is against our belieft system(s))
so the answer is their. to get rid of the powers that be,

the illuminati dont exist? thats why the have blue degrees!
a real secret society? u mean like the bilderbergs? or the comm of 300?
or maybe the tri-lateral commission? going back some years.. the round table.. by cecil rhodes?

anyway..
just for all ur icke haters..

interview he did on talksport (uk radio station)

enjoy,

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=7I8ZWOAW

[moktail]

btw, i dont hate Icke or his theories. yes, and that quantam physics stuff is great, really really makes you think about stuff. regarding my last post, so you agree with me that he has to make a living, and that we cannot do much about or situation under the Illuminati, or not?

[soul controller]

i didnt mean u hateing on icke's works.. i was on about people who dont or have never read his work, but still think hes a nut! he is making a living, he has a huge following world wide, im sure he has enough cash to keep him going, he will keep trying to get the word out, and let more people know,,

i answered ur question in my previous post. but ill try to be a little less vague..lol i dont like making things easy! u gota work to really understand shit.. and it takes a long long time to do so..,.

do u know what hundred monkey syndrome is?
that goes with quantum physicas,
the more people who know whats really happening,,. will bring about the change,
also, the matrix. as icke puts it.
works in many dimensions.
and he says. that we (consciousness) is seperated from itself,
due to the dna programming..
all we have to do is. re-write the programming, ( dna transmitting/recieving date)

his words again, 'we are a droplet of water, disconnected from the rest of the water'.. well almost to that extent.

again., if enough people change, then their will be a change,
and with times being how they are right now,

those who are intune, can see/sence a change..

more people are wakeing up
the illuminati exist, coz we (humans) are weak and need to be controlled.. everything in society tells/shows us we NEED to be told what to do/say/wear/act etc
as soon as we will that out of our minds, then their grip wont be so tight..

ill add on more later
peace

[moktail]

i know the 100 monkey syndrome, all that about DNA reprogramming and stuff i read in his "Infinite Love is the Only Reality, Everything else is an Illusion", which seems impossible to me. as he says, we inherit our traits and our "software program" from those prior to us, who have brought us into this illusionary world. i dont see myself being literally connected to some computer, unconsiously.

i see the new Illuminati as stupid and not following the plans of the original Illuminati, who werent satanists and bent on taking over the world. i see them as science loving men who wanted to connect science and religion, and give us proof behind belief. the only reason why the Illuminati that we know of now is satanic is because the church didnt like the fact that religion needed to be proven, so they cast of the original Illuminati as Satanic, along with those who loved nature, and were more existentialist. along with casting off people they cast off symbols such as the pentacle. alot of stuff now that people see as satanic originally wasn't created with that view.

thank you

[Os3y3ris]

Well, I watched the documentary, and frankly I wasn't impressed. Seemed fairly silly. Normal people don't use triangles? It seems to me that thats an essential shape, so yes, various formations of it and complex shapes made up of them would appear regularly. Don't even get me started on the WTC vid. There's no better way to covertly monitor the WTC than to park a flying saucer outside? Lame.

I also listened to the Icke interview. I liked some of his ideas in their moderate interpertations, which is how he used them for the most part. Other ideas of his I wasn't feeling all too much. Still, he came off as reasonably intelligent, if somewhat wrong. Not what I imagined.

[soul controller]

Well, I watched the documentary, and frankly I wasn't impressed. Seemed fairly silly. Normal people don't use triangles? It seems to me that thats an essential shape, so yes, various formations of it and complex shapes made up of them would appear regularly. Don't even get me started on the WTC vid. There's no better way to covertly monitor the WTC than to park a flying saucer outside? Lame.

I also listened to the Icke interview. I liked some of his ideas in their moderate interpertations, which is how he used them for the most part. Other ideas of his I wasn't feeling all too much. Still, he came off as reasonably intelligent, if somewhat wrong. Not what I imagined.

thankyou for listening to the interview Mr. O

Peace.

[soul controller]

some info for yall

Secret Societies
By Gianni DeVincent Hayes, Ph.D.
February 26, 2006
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=6279

"Beneath the broad tides of human history there flow the stealthy undercurrents of the secret societies, which frequently determine in the depth the changes that take place upon the surface."
Author Arthur Edward Waite
The Real History of the Rosicrucian
Steiner Books, 1977

The pulsing, squeezing beat of the living organism called the Elite—those in influential positions who are making unwanted decisions for us—have succeeded in bringing forth a global government or New World Order (NWO). They pulled out their entire armory, and over dozens of years, generations of generations, they have pushed the NWO agenda down our throats, and we’ve meekly accepted it.

They have used and still are using both overt and covert methods to make us accept the dissolution of the American Constitution, and, in irony, feel grateful for it. They have invaded our churches, our schools, our culture, our economy, our history our political strongholds, and even our minds. And with barely a whimper, we have condoned the loss of our country, the loss of our values and mores, the loss of free thinking, and the loss of the control of our own minds. They own our economy, our political system, our children and, most of all, they own us—we, who years ago, should have fought back to prevent the downfall of our beloved America and our freedoms.

Some of their means for achieving their goals are blatant; others are camouflaged and done behind closed doors, but however they accomplish their objectives, the result is the same: They have planned well, implemented admirably, and shattered us conclusively. Their techniques have been varied and effective, but one of the most effective, behind-the-scenes methods is the use of the secret societies.

You’ve heard of this one major vehicle—the secret societies--haven’t you? They’re real--those shadow or underground groups that control the world by powerful members who hide the truth from us, who wield a force greater than hundreds of megatons of bombs. There isn’t any one article or any one particular book that can cover the entire gamut of what secret societies are all about, who their members are, what they have done and what they plan to do, so certainly this short article alone can not possibly envelop it all. What is known is that their members—commanding, wealthy elite men, some women—hold sway over us and network all the way to the top of nations’ governments and schools to ascertain that their desired people and agenda are set into place and enforced. Since this can’t be told in an all-encompassing article, only the basics are offered here.

No two experts agree on any definitive hierarchy of the secret societies. Below serves only as a sampling, but as you read through this, keep in mind that “Paganism and Luciferianism are the bases of all secret societies.”[1]

BACKGROUND

Myths, legends, societies, signs, and symbols have their origins in Antiquity and have been used for centuries as a means of identifying individuals and their roles. The majority of them are occultic, with emphasis on gods and goddesses, and witchcraft and other dark, subversive activities. No matter what an occultist practices, it is for Lucifer and not for God: “The Bible and the Church condemn all kinds of Occultism with the strongest words and penalties because Occultism is from the devil.”[2] Dr. J. Dominguez--an occult expert--offers: [3]

There are 10,000 astrologers, and 40 million people consult the horoscope. . . . In California, the Satanic Church has 8,000 members. There are 20,000 “santero priests” in Miami and New York. In England, there are 9,000 witches, and in France, 60,000 with earnings of over $200 million per year.

The occult, the darkness, have been elevated and accelerated by such authors as Orwell, H. G. Wells, Kipling, G.B. Shaw, et al. All were loyal Fabians/Socialists who saw the world a better place to live if individuals gave up their rights and privileges and simply followed orders by those who presumably knew better. High level authors, and the media personnel in general throughout the planet—who are often secret society members--are used to bring about the changes desired by the global elite, [and] nobody realizes this,”[4] says David Icke, a researcher on world activities. He goes on to add that “Everything from mass mind control, economic enslavement, political control, media control, and military control are being used to implement a program to bring about complete domination of the world.”

David Bay of Cutting Edge Ministries clarifies that these secret societies all share the same characteristics; he titles them as: [5]

Arrogant Pride = members parlay a sense that they are above and superior to others, an elite class, and specifically are chosen because of their innate and rare knowledge of the “Truth” or the hidden and “ancient mysteries,” while the rest of the world are mere peons. The secret truth they believe they possess is never to be revealed to any nonmember. Christians know that only God is omnipotent and can be arrogant and perfect…but not man.

Dual Personalities = Those in secret societies behave one way when they're with their fellow members and then put on a front for others when out in public. But Christians believe that God is the true personality with three in one--God, the Father; Christ, the son; and the Holy Spirit, the advocate. God is always true to Himself and others. Societies, as a whole, don't worship God because they consider themselves the highest form of life . . . higher than the everyday man.

Teaching = Society members prize teaching their ways to new members but doing so only in small bits of information given over a period of time until that member meets the requirements to become part of the upper Echelon in the organization. Oral teaching was sacred, as only through verbalization could the secrets be shared without them becoming written records and then publicized.


Inherent Good = Unlike biblical truth that states man is inherently evil (ergo, the sin of eating the fruit in Eden, of choosing evil over good), secret societies claim the opposite, that man is inherently good and should be told the secrets through membership, providing the potential initiate meets the criteria to be considered worthy enough to be a society fellow.


Coming Savior = Bay says that most religions teach that a Redeemer King will arise to head the world. Christians will know Him as Christ while Satanists and society members will understand him to be the anti-Christ, though not necessarily labeled as such, and that the two antitheses will hold combat to gain power over humankind.

Secret societies aren’t adolescent clubs but rather they’re serious, dire organizations that are out to uproot all governments and particularly America as we know it, wiping out our very roots of religious freedom and sovereign rights. Said President Woodrow Wilson, A. . . there is a power so organized, so subtle, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.

For those who do not believe that secret societies exist to undermine our sovereignty and our lives, watch the History and Discovery channels, order some videos, find former members of these groups who will talk to you, read the ever growing field of books, articles, and pamphlets on the stranglehold of secret groups running the world. Research them; follow them in the media, though the media are the least reliable resource since they are owned by the very Elite who created the secret societies. This is a real conundrum in itself.

Though not all of the societies are given here, this list offers some of the major and most influential ones; others will be discussed in detail in future publications:

The Bilderbergers. This powerful group secretly meets every year to discuss plans for every citizen on earth, as to how to foster and implement the one-world-government goal. As a clandestine order, each member has vowed not to reveal the nature of the issues covered in the meetings, or to give attribution to what was said. Additionally, members of this organization hold major, high-profile, and influential positions throughout the world. Some of those who have attended and do attend these secret meetings are the likes of Bill Clinton, Walter Mondale, the Rockefellers, Gerald Ford, Tony Blair, Henry Kissinger, Peter Jennings, Colin L. Powell, William McDonough, and about 115 powerful people.[6]

The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). The puissant and illegal Federal Reserve Board formed this organization in 1921, right after WWI, to shepherd their plans through to the unsuspecting public, primarily of which is to obliterate national boundaries and form a one-world government of which they are loyal to. It boasted the likes of Rockefeller, Richard Nixon, Dean Rusk, and many other past leaders, as well as hundreds of today’s media hot-dogs, politicians, educators, and numerous journalists. Secrecy is paramount. The CFR is in New York City.

The Trilateral Commission (TLC). Believed to be founded in 1973 by Brezezinski, with Jimmy Carter, this shadow association is thought to exist to create a multinational commerce and banking group through the entrapment of the American government, and the formation of a one-world government. In addition to the founders, others members include Henry Kissinger, Bill Clinton, Bruce Babbitt, Alan Greenspan, Paul Volcker [7] and many others. The TLC consists of a global network of plutocrats. Surveillance of everyone's actions is a key goal, and, to that end, they have developed (and still are developing) the most high-tech surveillance equipment ever in existence.

The Illuminati. This group is the world's money-holders who want global governance and are using chaos to make people submissive and compliant through crime, monetary problems, disobedient children and the take-over of education and economy, as well as religion. David Icke states that “The Illuminati, the clique which controls the direction of the world, are genetic hybrids, the result of interbreeding . . . [and] that this is why European royal and aristocratic families have interbred so obsessively, as do the so-called Eastern Establishment families of the United States, which produce the leaders of America. Every presidential election since and including George Washington in 1789 has been won by the candidate with the most European genes.”[8] The Illuminati, offers Icke, are “obsessed with symbolism and rituals. Their prime directives (covered in future articles) are frightening.

Skull and Bones. This Yale organization’s goal is to help propagate a one-world society with the hope of one of its members becoming the head of that system. Former President Bush, his father, Preston, and Bush Sr.’s son, President George W. Bush are all noted members of this organization, among many other renowned constituents, as well as John Kerry who is distantly related to Bush, both of whom are distantly related to the Queen. The society engages in secrecy and the dark arts, and performs ritualistic acts. An article in Conspiracy Nation states A. . . new evidence that the Skull and Bones Society and the CIA conspired together in 1963 to assassinate President John F. Kennedy.[9]

Freemasonry. This fraternal organization was originally located in England but has since been, established in America as well. Albert Pike, Grand Commander of Freemasonry and a Satanist, stated in his book, Morals and Dogma, that Freemasonry is a search for Light. [>Light = is Lucifer.] That search leads us directly back . . . to the Kabbalah.[10] Besides Pike, other noted Freemasons who were also Satanists were Helena Blavatsky, Alice Bailey, Annie Besant, Manly P. Hall, and now many others who are alive and well and worshipping Satan, knowingly or unknowingly). Secrecy is so much encouraged that Freemasonry's own lower-level members don't know what's really going on. Though the Masons claim they are a Christian organization, they are in reality the opposite of that.

The Federal Reserve. This is a ruthless secret society because its actions and plans are known only by a handful of the Elite—the central, national, and international bankers. Its out to gather more power, fame, and control. Contrary to what most Americans think, the Federal Reserve System is privately held, and not government-owned, which is in violation of the 16th Amendment. This system was started by the Rockefellers, Rothschilds, Warburgs, and several others, for the sole purpose of gaining monetary power throughout the world. Since their origination, they have culled so much wealth that they rule the United States, as well as some other countries through their international dealings. Rothschild's famous words that he can govern any country if given control of that country's economy, has been put into play through the Federal Reserve System, the owners of America and her people, and her economy, as well as her ideologies and group thought. The originators of the Federal Reserve are the founders of the Council on Foreign Relations, and have helped initiate the other cryptic societies for their own gain.

The Bohemian Club (founded in 1872) and the Bohemian Grove enlist top male leaders for scandalous and depraved sexual activities. “Every Republican president since Herbert Hoover has belonged. . . Here is a small sampling of some of the prominent members: Stephen Bechtel, Jr. . . Joseph Coors . . . Et al.”[12]

Of its near 3000 members, other participants include(d) the Bushes, Richard Nixon, George Schultz, Henry Kissinger, Colin Powell, Merv Griffin, Newt Gingrich, Ronald Reagan, Caspar Weinberger, Dick Cheney, Danny Glover and others. “. . .some of the most powerful men on earth doing despicable sexual things . . . nude and semi-nude men worshiping a giant idol of an owl in a deeply occult ritual, and what appeared to be an actual human sacrifice of a burning, screaming white man . . . . [And] they choose who will be allowed to run for the high office of president and the vice president of the U.S.A.”[13]

The Black Nobility. This is an extremely powerful group which some Europeans decree to be the core of all societies because they claim to possess “The Truth” (that from the Tree of Knowledge in Eden) and to be genetically linked to Christ through their bloodline with David, creating the Davidic Covenant while those who are descendants of Abraham belong to the Abrahamic Covenant which points up the difference between Jews, Christians and Muslims. This organization has been able to remain in power Athrough the maintenance of bloodlines. For instance . . . Queen Elizabeth II . . . carries the bloodline of the Black Nobility in Germany, back through to the Black Nobility Venetians through the Phoenicians, the Egyptians to the Sumerians, and no doubt, Atlantis. Prince Charles can trace 3,000 years of descent from Edward III . . . the monarch who formed the elite Satanic Brotherhood group, the Order of the Garter.”[14] Icke declares that A[{Former} missing child] Cathy O'Brien was a victim of this type of operation; her father sold her to MK-ULTRA and he became part of that whole program.@[15] Other children, he claims, become the object of rituals or mind control projects or sex slaves...A[16]

The Vatican. The Vatican is listed here simply because of its infiltration by secret societies, and the heed it pays to them. David Bay of the Cutting Edge, says, “The Vatican is now thoroughly controlled by these Secret Societies as they move to complete the New World Order Religion, which they feel is an indispensable part of their New World Order . . . an occultic religion, one that will revive the Old Mysteries Religions of Babylon and Egypt, and one that will totally destroy Christianity. And the Vatican is now leading the charge.”17] Pope John Paul II issued a Papal Bull legalizing membership of Catholics in secret societies. Bay says the Pope [was] an Illuminist, and that he [was] the most traveled pope in history in response to the Illuminati doctrine of creating a singular global religion. Of note is that the Illuminati had actually taken over most of Italy in the mid to late-800s. Today’s Pope Ratzinger is following in PJPII’s footsteps and allowing the ongoing infiltration of secret societies.

Wicca. This too is a shadow organization, as it reveals its true self only to its members who rise to a certain level. Over the years, Wiccans have attempted to legitimize themselves by founding satanic schools, establishing websites, presumably promoting the white witches vs the black witches rumors, and even outright denying that witchcraft is demonic. Instead, they say that they don't believe in any God, and that their existence is for man to search for the truth through their practices.

The Roundtable. This is associated with the Holy Grail of Arthurian Legend. The “round table” is the ritualistic ceremony for the Order of the Garter that is to hail a more modern Illuminati Circle of the Round Table of this era. Icke says, “The inner elite of this Round Table in the US and UK . . . work together to engineer the circumstances that lead to . . . global conflict. Through their technique of “create-the-problem-then-offer-the-solution,” they want to destroy the global status quo with . . . war and therefore have the opportunity to re-draw the world in their agenda's image when the conflict was over.[18]

Majestic Twelve. William Cooper, privy to highly confidential military documents, claims that a group of people have long planned the destruction of our country in order to form a socialist totalitarian government referred to as the “Majestytwelve” (with no space; and “MAJIC” and “MJ12”) which parallels the twelve disciples. That these people will help initiate a one-world order with a dictator makes this sole leader the antithesis to Christ, and that all our freedoms will be “zapped.” This may be accomplished through counterfeit aliens and a parallel UFO campaign. The ushering in of aliens, sorcery, Wicca, Satanism, and dark entertainment and publications, is used for preparing the world for what is about to come.

Other Secret Societies. Inside secret societies are core groups or inner circles that truly rule the entire organizations. There are some societies that none dare even mention their names in print or utter orally. Although not all secret groups can be mentioned, here is a good chunk of some other covert groups that impact our lives as much as much as the Illuminati, Freemasons, Trilateral Commission, Bilderbergs, Skull and Bones, TLC, or Council on Foreign Relations. Examples of these lesser known elite groups are: The Club of Rome; The Committee of 300 (controls finance, insurance, drug trade, politics, industry, religion); Philosophers of Fire, the Group of Eight (G-8); Rhodes Scholar program; Black Lodge; Aspen Institute; Knights of Malta; World Federalists; The Circle of Initiates; Nine Unknown Men; Lucis Trust; Tavistock Institute; British Quator Coronati; Mumma Group; Nasi Princes; Milner Group-Round Table; World Economic Forum; Opus Dei; Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn; Rosicrucians; Knights of the Garter; the Priory of ZionA (who believe they are of the bloodline of Jesus); Prince Charles and the Black Nobility of Europe[19]; the Thule Society--based on a fifth dimension; Theosophical Society; The Witches League for Public Awareness; the Guardians; Key Fraternity; Brotherhood of the Snake, and several others not listed here because of space limitations.

Conclusion

The pretense by the Elite that secret societies don’t exist and are not functional in political, economical, educational, and religious footholds has proven them wrong. If they have nothing to hide, why form and join a secret society? Be alert for their false claims; their promises to give us a better life when they are destroying our freedoms; when they tell us something is true and it’s false, and visa versa; when they say they are protecting us when they’re really hanging us out to dry and molding us into slave labor. Be wary, I stress.

Future articles will address these and other societies in more detail, but certainly you should be asking yourself, “What does all this mean; how does it all add up?” According to William Cooper:

World War III is being fought NOW [sic]. It is being fought with “information warfare” using [various types of warfare already discussed and] sophisticated mind control techniques, propaganda, misinformation, intimidation, manipulation . . . [that] the old order be . . . destroyed thoroughly before the “new order,” the Third Wave, the Third Way.[20]

It's up to each of us as individuals to be aware of these shadow groups and protect our civil liberties, maintain America as a free and sovereign company, and enforce that the people in elected positions reflect our views and enact legislation that pays homage to the U.S. Constitution, instead of their views; likewise, any existing law created by the Elite, or those mandates about to arise should be eliminated.

Only we can save ourselves through the help of God. The Lord tells us He will help those who help themselves. We must work through Him for change.

Footnotes:

1. From The Unseen Hand, Ralph Epperson; p.76; Publius Press, AZ, 1995

2. Dr. Richard Monteith; speaker at The Prophecy Club.

3. "The Occult." J. Dominguez, M.D.. 2002.

4. Ibid

5, "Who's Controlling Who?" An interview with David Icke by Joseph Duggan

6. "The Cutting Edge Radio Program." David Bay. “Transcript of Secret Societies." P. 3

7. "Secret Societies and their Members." Page 2 of 4.

8. "Secret Societies and Their Members" 06-5-02

9. "Who's Controlling Who?" An interview with David Icke by Joseph Duggan

10. "The Skull & Bones Society, "A Stunning Expose."

11. Pike, Albert. Morals and Dogma; p. 741

12, "Secret Societies and their Members." page 4 of 4.

13. "Secret Societies and their Members." page 4 of 4.

14. "Expose of the Bohemian Grove." P.1; 06-05-02.

15. "Who's Controlling Who?" An interview with David Icke by Joseph Duggan

16. Ibid

17. "Who's Controlling Who." Joseph Dugan in an interview with David Icke. Quote attributed to Ted Gunderson. P. 4/6

18. "Vatican and Secret Societies in Pursuit of a New World Order, Part 2" Page 1 of 9

19. "The Round Table-Bilderberg Network." by David Icke. Page 3 of 9. 2002

20. "Secret Societies and Orders." P. 1 of 10. 06-05-02

21."Majestytwelve," by William Cooper. 26 pages.

[Kephrem]

some info for yall

Secret Societies
By Gianni DeVincent Hayes, Ph.D.
February 26, 2006
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=6279



The Illuminati. This group is the world's money-holders who want global governance and are using chaos to make people submissive and compliant through crime, monetary problems, disobedient children and the take-over of education and economy, as well as religion. David Icke states that “The Illuminati, the clique which controls the direction of the world, are genetic hybrids, the result of interbreeding . . . [and] that this is why European royal and aristocratic families have interbred so obsessively, as do the so-called Eastern Establishment families of the United States, which produce the leaders of America. Every presidential election since and including George Washington in 1789 has been won by the candidate with the most European genes.”

Funny about this part is WASHINGTON it is alleged had black kin --not to mention other U.S. Presidents as well.

The Black Nobility. This is an extremely powerful group

These people I know for a fact exist, on CNN they mentioned them (though not saying who they really are) when the last Pope was being viewed by the public at the wake or whatever they called it.

which some Europeans decree to be the core of all societies because they claim to possess “The Truth” (that from the Tree of Knowledge in Eden)

They do know the Truth, and they know that they are themselves imposters --and know the real reason why they are refered to by others as Black European Nobility or the Black Families.

and to be genetically linked to Christ through their bloodline with David, creating the Davidic Covenant

Some of them may have married into those original Families several hundred years ago, but they are not original nobility or descended of the Mid-Eastern group they are said to be a part of.

For instance . . . Queen Elizabeth II . . . carries the bloodline of the Black Nobility in Germany, back through to the Black Nobility Venetians through the Phoenicians, the Egyptians to the Sumerians,

These groups were so-called black people, but yes she does have a black ancestor, you can see her on the cover of J.A. Rogers book named "Nature Knows No Color Line".

and no doubt, Atlantis. Prince Charles can trace 3,000 years of descent from Edward III . . . the monarch who formed the elite Satanic Brotherhood group, the Order of the Garter.”

What evidence is there that this "Order of the Garter" was "Satanic"?

Prince Charles is not a Christian Prince at all, these families were either placed in positions of power by the original Families or had intemarried (though not paternally) way back in the Middle Ages to even a few hundred years back. The original Christians, Jews, and Muslims were black/brown people, let's not forget that piece of the puzzle.

[Unique-B]

Funny.

[Civilison]

Illuminati or not...

let's say that they control the world economically, financially and militarily.

therefore, they produced the society we live in. ever since the 1600's colonial days; history shows. this is how north america was meant to be developed.

althought illuminati is worldwide.

the truth is... i don't know much about them. because if i was them then i wouldn't let anybody know anything about me.

if it's such a big secret than how come so many people know about them?

a lot of it is subjective.

peace