shunning and rejecting luxury and desire

[LHX]

is that the starting point to improving the situation?

if the system is foul
and it has you hooked on shit

and uses this in order to get you to support the system
will rejecting these elements make a difference?


do you have it in you to unhook yourself?

to take what you need and nothing more?


ive come across a lot of dudes that can talk revolution
but
cant put down the herb
and work at starbucks to support they habit

they want to see equality
but
not when tomorrow is the release date for the new joint on xbox

cant pay 45 cents for a cup of rice to learn how to cook a meal
but
they can pay $5 at fast food and fill up they belly with trash

add on

[arto]

you've got to strike a balance. i think it's good to be fundamentalist, but you have to realise when you're getting too fundamental. i am strongly, strongly opposed to the entire system at work in the united kingdom, of which i am an irremovable part of. i hate how people spend their money on shit like fucking 3 million horsepower cars and fucking smoothie makers instead of giving away their riches to someone who doesn't know where their next meal is gonna come from. but do i want to give up alcohol? do i want to give up fast food? do i want to give up weed? do i want to stop buying music, computer games, and musical instruments? no. of course i don't. i don't, because it's a natural and very human thing to desire things for yourself. humans are possessive by nature. we like things to play with and use. as for decadence, well, i think it makes a man happy to let loose and indulge in things that are nice every so often. i certainly do, and i don't feel guilty. it's just a natural thing to want to do, and you shouldn't make yourself guilty by doing it, because it's not your fault that you have to use money to pay for all this.

[soul controller]

is that the starting point to improving the situation?

if the system is foul
and it has you hooked on shit

and uses this in order to get you to support the system
will rejecting these elements make a difference?


do you have it in you to unhook yourself?

to take what you need and nothing more?


ive come across a lot of dudes that can talk revolution
but
cant put down the herb
and work at starbucks to support they habit

they want to see equality
but
not when tomorrow is the release date for the new joint on xbox

cant pay 45 cents for a cup of rice to learn how to cook a meal
but
they can pay $5 at fast food and fill up they belly with trash

add on

peace LHX

indeed many of these dudes be everywhere,

even those who see an injustice,, but still suipport the ppl who did the injustice.. they knows it wrong.. but they dont see anything else they can do.

i get pissed with ppl who say theyt dont believe in a god (chrstian/muslim/sikh) and yet,, they do whatever it asked of them
on certian holy days.. even out handing cards.. and u ask.. but u dont do god.. and u said u wasnt christian..and they reply WELL THATS WHAT IM SUPPOSED TO DO' so i think the problem is.. their belief systems.
its not what they say or think.. as the thing that has them locked is deep inisde.. they dont even know why they do what they do., they just say. coz its good, its a happy time.. etc.

going on to the materlisitic ish.
i personally.. only burn bud.

i do not give a fuck bout materlisitc shit.
it really does my nut in, when people care more for., their next top, than to help some1 who is on the street. lying down.. they cum at me with. so if i give them cash. they will buy liqour/drugs
im like so!! im helping they can do what they want.
but the same dude/dudette can spend 40 quid as u said on a computer game
or on nike/adidas knowings its made in swear factories in the far east.
but they dont care as society has them so conditioned, with what is right and what is wrong,. they might think such and such
but they cant act on it
due to what 'OTHERS' would sayto them

peace

[LHX]

it's a natural and very human thing to desire things for yourself. humans are possessive by nature. we like things to play with and use. as for decadence, well, i think it makes a man happy to let loose and indulge in things that are nice every so often. i certainly do, and i don't feel guilty. it's just a natural thing to want to do, and you shouldn't make yourself guilty by doing it, because it's not your fault that you have to use money to pay for all this.

this is the only part i question

especially the bolded text at the beginning

[LHX]

im not sayin giving money to the poor is the right thing to do


im sayin that claiming property and trying to possess things might not be the best thing to do

[soul controller]

yeah i knowz.

but giving to the poor instead of a multinational charity
on ppls levels that wrong coz of the conditioning

so how can they even stop the materlisic shit,
when they think giving to a organisation that only gives like 0.37% of what it recieves is bad?
you need to break down social structures
we need to show people whats really happening
only then, will they stop careing bout how the current world is.
and how materliasm is what is- the status symbol - that people judge themselves too
until those who look upon as leaders, change their values
people who are lets say 85%
will npot change let alone
even thinking their is anything wrong with goods that dont mean shit


peace

[arto]

this is the only part i question

especially the bolded text at the beginning

why do you question it? can you elaborate for me?

[denaturat]

what you say may be an issue if the fact that I take something for myself means that I am taking away something from someone else.

[Frontal Lobotomy]

The whole idea of taking needs to be addressed. We're taught that we have to give before we take, something that pretty much consumes everything we do. We have to give to the system in work and taxes for the majority of our lives just so we can sit back when we're suffering the indignity of being unable to make it to the toilet on time, for instance. The balance of give and take in the grander scale of things is entirely disproportionate. Partly down to the fact that once people have 'given' what they feel is ample, they'll take double what was originally contributed. We live in a system where there's an urgency for commodities, and the only way to gain such commodities is to 'take' them. This doesn't affect those in power as they're the ones seen to be 'giving' even if what they've given out should rightfully belong to everybody in the first place. Its because they're able to place monetary value on it, that it becomes a commodity, and the cycle starts over.
As to how people should combat this, it gets a little more confusing. Its not a case of no longer giving, but more looking into the issue of taking.
Right on with what you said too, LHX, too many brains talk of revolution, while lining the pockets of the multinationals because it's easy.

[arto]

The whole idea of taking needs to be addressed. We're taught that we have to give before we take, something that pretty much consumes everything we do. We have to give to the system in work and taxes for the majority of our lives just so we can sit back when we're suffering the indignity of being unable to make it to the toilet on time, for instance. The balance of give and take in the grander scale of things is entirely disproportionate. Partly down to the fact that once people have 'given' what they feel is ample, they'll take double what was originally contributed. We live in a system where there's an urgency for commodities, and the only way to gain such commodities is to 'take' them. This doesn't affect those in power as they're the ones seen to be 'giving' even if what they've given out should rightfully belong to everybody in the first place. Its because they're able to place monetary value on it, that it becomes a commodity, and the cycle starts over.
As to how people should combat this, it gets a little more confusing. Its not a case of no longer giving, but more looking into the issue of taking.
Right on with what you said too, LHX, too many brains talk of revolution, while lining the pockets of the multinationals because it's easy.

it feels so good to talk with and read the thoughts of people on my level.

[Frontal Lobotomy]

^^ Haha, thanks. There are a lot of people on this forum that're on the level, and can write with a little less ambiguity as well.

Easy

[denaturat]

what level is that?

[Frontal Lobotomy]

The Level, obviously.

[arto]

what level is that?

that of the working class with a conscience. people who have wisdom and insight about the world around them, and don't just blindly follow institutions.

[LHX]

that of the working class with a conscience. people who have wisdom and insight about the world around them, and don't just blindly follow institutions.

theres at least a dozen folks here like that


we still face the issue of coming to agreements

which is why i made this thread



the on going theme in this forum is trying to figure out what we are capable of and what our limitations are



although the discussions do get side-tracked at times