Ghost Fell Off & Became Boring

[noel411]

For the life of me I cannot see what warrants all the hype about Ghost for the last few years. 'Ironman' was classic, SC was excellent, and since then he hasn't released anything that's cracked the average rating imo. 'Bullet Proof Wallets' was more or less horrible. 'Pretty Toney' was ok. Had a few good songs. There were a few good tracks on the Trife and Theodore Unit albums. And 'Fishscale' and 'More Fish' are 2 of the most forgettable albums I have heard. They have no appeal whatsoever to me.

Out of all the generals Ghost has been the least appealing to me over the last few years. I would be more excited about a new U-God album than a new Ghost album. 'Fishscale' and 'More Fish' were both purchased with no interest whatsoever, merely to add to my Wu collection, as a collector of Wu albums. They both lived up to my low expectations. He also almost ruined 'The W', although he came through on 'Iron Flag'.

I find it strange how in the mid-to-late 90's he was basically just another tight Wu member who created little fuss as an individual, even though he was 'spitting flames', and now that he's become average and boring people act as if he's some sort of God.

And don't kid yourself, a lot of his lyrics are more or less identical to what those mainstream artists you all pretend to loathe, are writing. My homeboy quoted one of his recent tracks in an email to me, and I asked him if it was a G Unit song or something, only to have him tell me it was a Ghost track. I really don't see what separates him from all those average chart rappers, lyrically. I can't remember the last Ghost verse I heard where the lyrics actually stood out to me. I really can't.

And spare me the childish insults and all that bullshit. I know how some Ghost fans are. This is just my opinion and if you don't like it then feel free to tell me so in a civilised manner. I just wanted to see if anybody here is feeling me, and agrees with what I'm saying. Because I know there are people out there who also feel that Ghost has become entirely unappealing.

[TGambino]

then dont listen to his shit nigga got damn

[noel411]

then dont listen to his shit nigga fuck outta here

And spare me the childish insults and all that bullshit. I know how some Ghost fans are. This is just my opinion and if you don't like it then feel free to tell me so in a civilised manner

That didn't take long.

[noel411]

Curse this fucking forum. It is IMPOSSIBLE to have a decent discussion here nowadays. IMPOSSIBLE.

[GENERAL WISE]

Although i disagree, I hate people who can't take their favorite artist being critisized.

Just move your shit to Bring da Ruckus and wait for stans to catch feelings.

[Razorsharp]

Curse this fucking forum. It is IMPOSSIBLE to have a decent discussion here nowadays. IMPOSSIBLE.

take it easy noel... ...

ok, i can see partly where you are coming from... fishcale was ok... but i dont see how you dont like More Fish... i love that album... ghostface's lyrics now dangle on mainstream turf, but i feel that he does it in a unique way, and perhaps everyone still praises ghost because he is consistent?? and he constantly keeps releasing new shit... and when your favorite artists releases new shit, and is nothing like how they originally came out... some people are mad and dont listen to them anymore and then the others think ... "hey its still ghost" and with that in mind they still picture him as lengendary.


im not saying ghost has fallen off, but maybe is writing lyrics to keep up with the flow of music... peace my aussie homie... hit the waves

[Jet Set]

I have to say that since the 718 Mixtape I havent purchased any new Wu albums. Avid collector before that, but my financial situation chanegd up a bit, and it just wasn't worth it all.

Over here in Holland Fishscale was hailed by much of the hiphop community s a classic. Everybody found it great. A first listen made it nice. BUt the longevity just wasn't there. Alot of the beats somehow didn't feel right of just too simple for words. Lyrics didn't caught on.

The album wasn't an album it was a mere collection of Ghost songs put together. With the average stand out of high light there to be excited about. But the overall was just so press forward. It sort of had the same empty feel Pretty Toney left you with after four months. The time that you forgot that he even released an album.

More Fish suffered a similar faith. It could have been a way better album if more than half of the tracks were cut off. The EP format or combination with Fishscale would have suited it better. The albums tasted like Fastfood.

Not too long ago I started a thread about how Ghost needed more Psychedelic productions. As stated my problem with Ghost was more production wise. That is the first thing that captures my mind lately as I did not find the time to sit through the albums and listen to the lyrics.

Personally I still digged a record like Bullet Proof Wallets. That was the last one album that truely felt like a solid record. The distinctive sound throughout the record is so clear. There´s alot to be said about the released version and the cut cuts. For me it´s still great.

Pretty Toney was the one that sky rocketed the media with Ghost fetish. Sure it was nice to hear Ghost rap over the Delphonics record. At the end, the album didn´t hold together. A person can only digest so many tastes at a time.

Just maybe, a common factor between all these albums is. Wu involvement and production. Just maybe. Sure Supreme Clientele had a whole collection of different producers, difference there is they remained working with the same sound for all of it. That ear went missing with Raekwons watch.

[MX1]

honestly i like ghost best, and i found both fishscale and more fish to be good. i can see how u arent feeling him tho, his lyrics arent as good as they used to be, but honesty hes the only one really putting an effort out outta the wu, so i stick wit ghost..on those albums i had to pick and choose sum tracks because real talk, def jam effects sum of it

peace and 1luv

[theafghan]

what were the lyrics that you mistook for G unit?

[brock]

just shut up thx

[noel411]

Just move your shit to Bring da Ruckus and wait for stans to catch feelings.

I didn't want to put it there because it's not a thread to hate on Ghost. I'm just expressing my opinion and seeing if anybody else here feels the same.

what were the lyrics that you mistook for G unit?

The song was 'Ghostface', from the PT album. Obviously the 'Ghostface' part would give it away, but the person who emailed it to me had edited it so that it had his mc name in the place of 'Ghostface'. There's also a line about wallabies or something near the start, but at first I thought it was just a joke rhyme the emailer had written, so I thought nothing of it. As I read on I realised it wasn't something he had written, so I thought it must be a G Unit song or something, forgetting the line about wallabies. Not necessarily G Unit, but just one of those chart rappers.

I didn't recognise the lyrics because I have skipped that song every time I've played that album bar my first listen. I absolutely can't stand that track.

[crass]

yeah that song "ghostface" blows. i dunno. i'm not that into fishscale or more fish but i like ghost's rapping. dude's still got energy.

[deadlymelody]

Top 10 all time.

Ok I will admit he has been on some bad tracks where he didn't have it lyrically, but this style he has is trying to reach out to a wider audience. We all know that's not the real Wildflower, Winter Warz, Nutmeg Ghostface.

[WuGambino]

Top 10 all time.

Lol.
I can see where the person who first posted is coming from, however if you look at other Wu-Tang albums from last year, Fishscale was not bad at all. Worth getting just for the two J Dilla songs IMO.

Compared to other Wu members right now I don't think he's particularly bad, but compared to himslf or any other Wu member from ten years ago Ghost has lost it.
I think it's a case of the entire clan running out of steam more than just pinning this on Ghost... They all suck. That's right.

[jokostyle]

I noticed that my 'problems' with ghost are his interpretations
more than his flow. his interpretations are less accurate , sometimes
less inspired (IMO), or just monotonous.I think his flow & interpretation combo reached their peak at the BPW time (even if i didn t really like this album).

i don t expect him to have the same flow for life but the interpretation is what allow you to provide feelings and i didn t feel that much things while listening most of his recent stuff even if i like certain verses or songs here & there (love, metal lungies,run, some fishcale & more fish tracks...)

The truth come when you compare his interpretation (once again i don t attack his flow although i don t feel his current one) on rainy days (several notes in his voice that transmit real emotions) & his interpretation on the most of the recent stuff.

To resume i d say that he provides less feelings than before (IMO)
perhaps because he was better directed (RZA) perhaps because he works
with grade B artists (TU) while he worked with grade A ones (the legendary wu) It makes less emulation & challenge. Plus he spits on several average/boring beats that use good/excellent samples.

ps : he should do more tracks with No ID who provided him 2 rich beats.