Pro Football

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HOW BOUT THEM 3RD PLACE GIANTs ROFL

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The Jets want to use Vick as their starter?

Vick use to be good, but now he is only ok at best, and he turns the ball over too much, but it still be an upgrade over Mark

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They are saying it's unlikely that the Jets would be able to afford Alex Smith or Vick. They will probably have to stick with McElroy and then maybe pick up Charlie Batch too.


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--so...GlvbnM-;_ylv=3

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the colts arent spotting the other team 14 points every game so saying they abandoned the run because they were always in a hole is simply false. this would be true for maybe 2 games out of 14.

I could actually point to several different games where the opposing team has capitalized on the extra possessions Luck has given them early in games. Just because it isn't a pick 6 doesn't make it any less demoralizing cause it still leads to points and is still considered being put in a hole by their qb.

in all other games they have to make plays late to get wins where they might be down by a FG or a TD in the 4th.

what good is the guy who is good in an emergency (say: a house fire) when he's one of the ones who set fire to the house to begin with?

tom brady has 6 picks and has a better running game yet he also averages 40 throws a game. same with peyton manning. the colts simply run an offense centered around passing.

another horrible comparison. Manning and Brady are actually effective throwing 40 throws a game while Luck can't even lead a top 20 offense throwing that many times. Why would a team center their offense around passing when it isn't effective? I didn't realize that the best way of bringing along a rookie QB is by putting them into an offense that doesn't minimize their mistakes.

and again: How do you explain Luck's terrible numbers the last two weeks despite having a "effective" run game?

there are 5 games where RG3 throws less than 25 times and he has 30 attempts or more in only 3 games. saying they throw less because he's more efficient throwing early in games just doesnt make sense.

Maybe, just maybe, if Luck was able to complete better than 50% of his passes he wouldn't need to throw it 50 times a game better yet 67%. Or if he he didn't turn over the ball so frequently early on in games he wouldn't have to throw 18+ times ever fourth quarter in comeback attempts.

Andrew Luck is the only quarterback I've ever seen with a sub-80 QB rating, 18 interceptions with a TD/INT ratio of 1/1, leading the league, and a sub-55 CMP% and yet actually be as praised and heralded as he is.

griffien can run as fast as most WR in the league. why would shanahan not design an offense to take advantage of that? they're a football team centered around the run just like the 49ers.

Yes, the Skins are running team but the notion that Griffin "doesn't" pass or can't pass is ridiculous.

RG3 makes the runnning game go, with his legs, not his arm.

The only reason I stated this was because you were acting if RG3 benefits from having a great back. Luck has proven these last two weeks that he's just extremely inefficient period, with or without a running game.

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they're 8-6 after a 5 game winning streak in beating 2 horrible teams and two other good team that are struggling and a team that average in the cowboys. ravens especially with all their injuries on the defense.

keep it in your pants.

luck has only beaten 2 teams with a .500 or better record.

keep it in your pants.

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I could actually point to several different games where the opposing team has capitalized on the extra possessions Luck has given them early in games. Just because it isn't a pick 6 doesn't make it any less demoralizing cause it still leads to points and is still considered being put in a hole by their qb.

what good is the guy who is good in an emergency (say: a house fire) when he's one of the ones who set fire to the house to begin with?

another horrible comparison. Manning and Brady are actually effective throwing 40 throws a game while Luck can't even lead a top 20 offense throwing that many times. Why would a team center their offense around passing when it isn't effective? I didn't realize that the best way of bringing along a rookie QB is by putting them into an offense that doesn't minimize their mistakes.

and again: How do you explain Luck's terrible numbers the last two weeks despite having a "effective" run game?

Maybe, just maybe, if Luck was able to complete better than 50% of his passes he wouldn't need to throw it 50 times a game better yet 67%. Or if he he didn't turn over the ball so frequently early on in games he wouldn't have to throw 18+ times ever fourth quarter in comeback attempts.

Andrew Luck is the only quarterback I've ever seen with a sub-80 QB rating, 18 interceptions with a TD/INT ratio of 1/1, leading the league, and a sub-55 CMP% and yet actually be as praised and heralded as he is.



Yes, the Skins are running team but the notion that Griffin "doesn't" pass or can't pass is ridiculous.


The only reason I stated this was because you were acting if RG3 benefits from having a great back. Luck has proven these last two weeks that he's just extremely inefficient period, with or without a running game.

your housefire analogy is a bad one. the ability to overcome bad plays and respond when the chips are down is a well sought-after trait in a QB. lots of great QBs throw a lot of picks. the mannning brothers, john elway, and brett favre to name some.

it also assumes them being down is always lucks fault and never on the defense, and that every pick is solely luck's fault. balls do get tipped in the air.

manning's backup last year only won 2 games with all of mannings weapons including reggie wayne. other than reggie wayne, all those players are gone, new coaching staff, no running game, no offensive scheme protecting luck from mistakes. they put the offense all on lucks arm. they're 9-5 despite all those picks so clearly their not hurting them that much.

RG3 is not being asked to win by throwing it, only to not make mistakes throwing it. similar to alex smith. he's being shielded as a thrower. the offense is set up to take advantage of his running ability and thats what he's doing. they're running the football very well and are winning games with a run option offense.

kurt cousins started their last game against the browns.

luck has shown great promise as a QB while Rg3 has shown great promise as a RB who can throw it.

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I think The Colts, Redskins, Seahawks, Dolphins and Browns are in good hands with their QB's, like this rookie class as far as QB's go could be the best ever when it's all said, and done!!!!

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If the Bucs players would focus more on the game than fighting with their coaches, maybe they wouldn't suck so bad.

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If the Bucs players would focus more on the game than fighting with their coaches, maybe they wouldn't suck so bad.

Maybe

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Morten Andersen had the most accurate season of his career the last season he played, but no team was interested in him after that?

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Morten Andersen had the most accurate season of his career the last season he played, but no team was interested in him after that?

Blair Walsh tied the record last week with the most field goals of 50 yards in a season, and with two games left there's a good chance he will break the record!!!!

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your housefire analogy is a bad one. the ability to overcome bad plays and respond when the chips are down is a well sought-after trait in a QB. lots of great QBs throw a lot of picks. the mannning brothers, john elway, and brett favre to name some.

you seem to be making a lot of presumptions. There are also alot of QBs similar to Luck that have flamed out entirely and ended up as epic busts, too.

it also assume them being down is always lucks fault and never on the defense, and that every pick is solely luck's fault. balls do get tipped in the air

The defense has bailed Luck out in at least two games when he was not playing well and already forced 10 turnovers for Luck this year.

manning's backup last year only won 2 games

the Colts got the #1 pick with one of the worst backup plans in history in Curtis Painter and a washed up Kerry Collins. The same Kerry Collins who was 2-11 in his previous 2 years on the Titans. Andrew Luck looks more impressive than he is just because of how bad Curtis Painter was.

with all of mannings weapons including reggie wayne. other than reggie wayne

Along with a top 5 WR, Hilton and Avery are speedy receivers that can break big plays. Hilton especially has played better than people give him credit for. Plus he has two good TE's.

all those players are gone, new coaching staff, no running game,

Why do you keep stating they have no running game? Vick Ballard's going to easily crack 700 rushing yards next week and should double his TD production by the end of the season. He may even triple it.

no offensive scheme protecting luck from mistakes. they put the offense all on lucks arm.

Again Luck is overvalued because of how bad Curtis Painter, Kerry Collins were. Dan Orlovsky was the best QB on that team last year. That ought to tell you that their record last year wasn't any indication of how good that team could have potentially have been even with an average QB.

they're 9-5 despite all those picks so clearly their not hurting them that much.

Jaguars, Jaguars, Bills, Jets, Chiefs, Browns, Titans, Titans, Dolphins, Detroit . when your SOS is weak enough, anything is plausible

in the DVOA rankings RG3 is 3rd behind Brady and Manning with 17.3%. Luck? He's 21st with -6.8%. A good indicator that throwing so many picks puts his team in a bind and him in a position to have to deliver all those late game heroics.

RG3 is not being asked to win by throwing it, only to not make mistakes throwing it. similar to alex smith.

Just stop.

he's being shielded as a thrower. the offense is set up to take advantage of his running ability and thats what he's doing. they're running the football very well and are winning games with a run option offense.

They are a running team yet Griffin is still on pace to have just as many passing attemts as Matt Ryan did his rookie year. And doing so with record breaking efficiency.

kurt cousins started their last game against the browns.

and?

Luck has shown great promise as a QB while Rg3 has shown great promise as a RB who can throw it.

The only thing Luck has proven is that he can put up yards extremely inefficiently and turn the ball over.

list a few "throwing" RB's that have lead the league in QB rating and ypa?

Reach harder

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Blair Walsh tied the record last week with the most field goals of 50 yards in a season, and with two games left there's a good chance he will break the record!!!!

You have a lot to be proud of with the Vikings this season.. very possible MVP, new record holder, and maybe Super Bowl champ?

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you seem to be making a lot of presumptions. There are also alot of QBs similar to Luck that have flamed out entirely and ended up as epic busts, too.


The defense has bailed Luck out in at least two games when he was not playing well and already forced 10 turnovers for Luck this year.

the Colts got the #1 pick with one of the worst backup plans in history in Curtis Painter and a washed up Kerry Collins. The same Kerry Collins who was 2-11 in his previous 2 years on the Titans. Andrew Luck looks more impressive than he is just because of how bad Curtis Painter was.

Along with a top 5 WR, Hilton and Avery are speedy receivers that can break big plays. Hilton especially has played better than people give him credit for. Plus he has two good TE's.


Why do you keep stating they have no running game? Vick Ballard's going to easily crack 700 rushing yards next week and should double his TD production by the end of the season. He may even triple it.




Again Luck is overvalued because of how bad Curtis Painter, Kerry Collins were. Dan Orlovsky was the best QB on that team last year. That ought to tell you that their record last year wasn't any indication of how good that team could have potentially have been even with an average QB.


Jaguars, Jaguars, Bills, Jets, Chiefs, Browns, Titans, Titans, Dolphins, Detroit . when your SOS is weak enough, anything is plausible

in the DVOA rankings RG3 is 3rd behind Brady and Manning with 17.3%. Luck? He's 21st with -6.8%. A good indicator that throwing so many picks puts his team in a bind and him in a position to have to deliver all those late game heroics.

Just stop.

They are a running team yet Griffin is still on pace to have just as many passing attemts as Matt Ryan did his rookie year. And doing so with record breaking efficiency.

and?


The only thing Luck has proven is that he can put up yards extremely inefficiently and turn the ball over.

list a few "throwing" RB's that have lead the league in QB rating and ypa?

Reach harder

there are many QBs like RG3 who flame out too so i dont see your point here. busts happen.

so you're gonna dismiss this guy completely for 2 games out 14? okay..

yeah that was his name, curtis painter. him and kerry kollins were awful and having all the same weapons peyton was successful with for years didnt help them one bit. dallas clark, austin collie, blair white, pierre garcon, reggie wayne. a lot of talent that didnt do jack when painter and kollins were under center. they played in the same crappy division with more or less the same schedule...only 2 games.

lets just assume(with no way to substantiate it) the colts being behind is all luck's fault, he gets them out of those binds. again, he's proving he can overcome mistakes and make plays when the chips are down which is a well saught after trait in a QB.

RG3 is on pace to throw is 400 times. a very low number considering guys like the manning brothers, tom brady, and drew brees will have thrown more than 600 times at season's end.

the difference from Rg3 and alex smith is Rg3 is a serious run threat. as far as passing both arent being asked to make plays with their arm. just manage the game and not make mistakes, but again, Rg3 can hurt you on the ground, thats his advantage.

that QB rating includes all of his over 700 yards rushing with 6 TDs(as a QB) and the YPA? its called play action passes setup by a great running game. its much more effective when you are a serious run threat am i sure the defenses are biting leaving Rg3 with wide open receivers down field to throw to. defenses arent worried about luck busting a 30 yard run on them.

ballard might get 800 yards by the end of the year. those are terrible numbers. ladanian tomlinson was considered washed up when he was putting up those type of numbers with the chargers. ballard is a journeymen RB.

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the redskins have always been a run first team, when they have a qb or not. check the history and tradition if you dont believe me. just imagine if the skins had that extra $16 or 18 mil the league took from them just befor free agency on some bullshit. we got a kicker that nobody is talking about also. we are winning because we are hittin on all cylinders. the coaches know what they are doing and team is pickin up what they're puttin down.

all the rg3 and luck arguement should stop beacuse its too early for all that. for me to say luck is better than rg3 he'll have to win the super bowl this year or at least be able to .500 or better in yearly series with the texans. they'll go 3-1 against the jags and titans for a few years to come i think.