Originally Posted by Konfucius
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The earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that in glory and in triumph they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot.
People are too stupid to effectively conspire to do anything, but not too stupid to come up with conspiracy theories.
Better question, why do some rappers take names from incredibly horrible dictators?
Tragedy Khadafi
E.D.I. Mean
There's several others I can't think of right now.
Easy, Trag was influenced by NOI, NGE, and Islamic doctrine, while President Khadafi symbolically stood up against the corrupt and subversive American governent. Never heard of the other 'mc'.
^^ Yeah but that's tiny compared to the number of wannabe Scarface Gambinos out there.
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I like gangster movies because it's great entertainment. I don't know why like rappers like Raekwon look up to movie drug lords and thugs like Tony Montana, Godfather, Goodfellas, Casino, etc. Maybe he sees it like me, just entertainment. Are they racist? No. I look it at how it is. This world looks down on blacks mexicans, jews, asians, etc. It's the way it is. It's not niggerish like Shalionassian said, it's just entertainment, PERIOD! Mexicans, jews, arabs, blacks, and asians watch mob movies and most of these mob movies are racists towards mainly all minorites, EVEN WHITES!!Thanks.
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Very true...in Casino they shit on the Irish and Arabs. People act like black gangster movies don't shit on white people. Ever seen Malcolm X??? when he calls a half Italian dude a wop?? Is it racist. No, thats how people are, blacks too.I like gangster movies because it's great entertainment. I don't know why like rappers like Raekwon look up to movie drug lords and thugs like Tony Montana, Godfather, Goodfellas, Casino, etc. Maybe he sees it like me, just entertainment. Are they racist? No. I look it at how it is. This world looks down on blacks mexicans, jews, asians, etc. It's the way it is. It's not niggerish like Shalionassian said, it's just entertainment, PERIOD! Mexicans, jews, arabs, blacks, and asians watch mob movies and most of these mob movies are racists towards mainly all minorites, EVEN WHITES!!
Kephrem is an apologist.....those same rappers with dictator names are living the AMERICAN dream and loving capitalism. Its just a 'cool' moniker to have. Arabs and Egyptians aren't exactly welcoming in darker sub saharan africans with welcome arms.
99% of rappers are just entertainers with little or no education beyond HS...
How so? I simply stated the facts.
Tragedy for one didn't choose the name because President Khadafi is suposedly a dictator [where is your evidence for this btw?] but because the reasons I listed. [NOI, NGE, MST, radical Islamic influence]those same rappers with dictator names
Who are these ''rappers with dictaor names'' that you're eluding too?are living the AMERICAN dream and loving capitalism.
I doubt 'Intelligent Hoodlum' chose the name simply because it sounded ''cool''.Its just a 'cool' moniker to have.
Arabs and Egyptians aren't exactly welcoming in darker sub saharan africans with welcome arms.You're point here doesn't have a damn thing to do with ''rappers with dictator names''.Trag was influenced by NOI, NGE, and Islamic doctrine, while President Khadafi symbolically stood up against the corrupt and subversive American governent.
99% of rappers are just entertainers with little or no education beyond HS...
I would say 100% of ''rappers are just entertainers''. And again your point here doesn't have anything to do with the discussion.
Yes it does.....They are entertainers marketing toward a young audience who is captivated with mob movies and tryin to be hard. I dont know about you, but I first saw and was introduced to all those criminals as a kid, and didn't realize what scumbags they really were and what damage they did until I got a little older and wiser.
So that is why they used Italian alter egos, serial killer alter egos, dictator alter egos....Capone and Noriega, Swifty McVeigh, Bin Laden, Irv Gotti, Beanie SIEGEL....Noodles from Once Upone a Time in America, Numerous Raekwon references to the Mafia, Meyer Lanksy, etc.,
Funny thing is Kephrem, you are just as bigoted as any bigot out there, and you attempt to justify it.
When I mentioned "movies" thats inspiration. Just like wu-tang got their concept from the kung-fu movies.
The thread title reads, "Why do so many black people love the incredibly racist Italian gangsters?"
It seems that the direction of the thread is going to, " "Why do so many rappers love the incredibly racist Italian gangster movies?"
I guess for inspiration, it has been mentioned that many of those entertainers have little formal education and most of what they learned came from the streets...similar to other gangsters (in movies) who made a ton of money by using their street knowledge in business.
Do many "non-rapper" black people praise these films? Perhaps they enjoy the entertainment value as much as others.
On the other hand, how much information about mobsters do most people learn just by watching those movies? Most people never even see them in real life.....a similar concept SUNNY WINTERS tried to prove by who sees crackheads and who doesn't.
Why black people like them even though they are all (supposedly) racist? One could say some white people listen to racist/racial prejudice rappers for a parallel case. Perhaps racial character interests some of us but this hypothesis could make a discussion thread itself.
Yes ''what'' does?
Where do you see me arguing for ''mob movies'' in my last few posts?They are entertainers marketing toward a young audience who is captivated with mob movies and tryin to be hard.
What criminals? Can you speak plainly please, thank you.I dont know about you, but I first saw and was introduced to all those criminals as a kid,
See above, and clarify your statement for us if you can.and didn't realize what scumbags they really were and what damage they did until I got a little older and wiser.
So that is why they used Italian alter egos,
Since I wasn't making any comments about ''Italian alter egos'' I'mma go ahead and ignore this point.
Care to list some of these rappers who are living the American dream making money with ''serial killer alter egos''?serial killer alter egos,
Shit most kids today never even HEARD of Manuel Noreaga [let alone care about Nore and where his name stems from]. That cat was snatched up in the early 90's during the Panama invasion.dictator alter egos....Capone and Noriega,
Who's that?Swifty McVeigh,
Please, if there is some rapper named Bin Laden most kids have never heard of him, thus making your previous assertions of 'negative influence' some STRAIGHT UP BULLSHIT.Bin Laden,
Cat is irrelevant today, but regardless the name 'Gotti' is not influencing any young kids as his era was during the 80's and early 90's.Irv Gotti,
Beanie SIEGEL....
LMAO. Kids don't know where that name derives from [unless they've seen the movie from the early 90's or have took it upon themselves to research early gangster history].
Wow you're reaching.
Noodles from Once Upone a Time in America, Numerous Raekwon references to the Mafia, Meyer Lanksy, etc.,
Everybody influenced by Wu is not a kid anymore, and if they were that dumb to let rappers galvinize them into emulating fictional/dead white gangsters then that's a choice they made.
Funny thing is Kephrem, you are just as bigoted as any bigot out there, and you attempt to justify it.
Please spare us the political rhetoric and try to deal more with the facts.
Is it not right for me to assume that Italy sided with Germany during WWII and considering Germany was full of white supremsist, that trait could carry on to Italians? Do you think that's not logical? Quit being an asshole about it, it was a fair assumption and you used my post as a gateway to make yourself smart... what have you accomplished today young sir. All I said that it could be a reason as to why some Italians hate blacks and you think I'm calling the whole country full of white supremisists.... damn shame... some of these Wu-Corp dudes get so hyped over a small comment, a comment that shouldn't mean to whip out a folder full of WWII stuff that wouldn't even be the least bit necessary to throw out when all I said it could be reason...
First of all, Mussolini was running Italy BEFORE Hitler came to power in Germany.....As far as Italians AMERICANS hating blacks....well they probably picked that up when they immigrated to the United States because there aren't too many Africans living in Italy.
All I'm saying is that that was not the reason. I realize this is a pro-black board, and that I probably shouldn't take everything at face value, but this is supposedly the Know-the-ledge section......I guess I expect a little more intelligence.
Yeah, but I'm pretty sure the Mafia families were opposed to facism.
The other one is from Tupac's Outlawz group. Most of them had nicknames relating to dictators with the exception of Young Noble and Tupac, who of course took his alias from Niccolo Machiaveli.
E.D.I. Mean
Napoleon
Hussein Fatal
Mussolini (Big Syke)
Komani (Mopreme)
Yaki Kadafi
Kastro
This is very true. Italy did not really want Fascism, Mussolini seized a weak govt. and took over. After he was hung, a mob took down his dead body and continued to beat it, along with his mistress's who was also hung. Much like what happened in Germany when HItlers regime replaced the weak Weimer Republic......This was post WW1, Great Depression era. Most countries in Europe were a mess politically and economically, and the nationalists and radicals seized their opportunity.
Lucky Luciano avoided prison and deportation for a while when he helped the US Army because the mob has extraordinary control over the NY docks.
Not all Italian gangsters were racist...many, like Carlo Gambino, would do business with blacks. Slurs are slurs....were talking about murderers and criminals here. Go to any prison...are race relations harmonious?? Its kill or be killed for these guys, they dont trust their best friend let alone someone from a different group.
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