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    Note: Two important articles on the rising Islamophobia in Britain. It is also relevant to North America. From the respected British paper The Independent.


    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...pe-859978.html


    Muslims feel like 'Jews of Europe'
    Minister's shock warning on rise of anti-Islamic prejudice
    By Cahal Milmo, Chief Reporter
    The Independent, Friday, 4 July 2008
    Britain's first Muslim minister has attacked the growing culture of hostility against Muslims in the United Kingdom, saying that many feel targeted like "the Jews of Europe".
    Shahid Malik, who was appointed as a minister in the Department for International Development (Dfid) by Gordon Brown last summer, said it has become legitimate to target Muslims in the media and society at large in a way that would be unacceptable for any other minority.
    Mr Malik made clear that he was not equating the situation with the Holocaust but warned that many British Muslims now felt like "aliens in their own country". He said he himself had been the target of a string of racist incidents, including the firebombing of his family car and an attempt to run him down at a petrol station.
    "I think most people would agree that if you ask Muslims today what do they feel like, they feel like the Jews of Europe," he said. "I don't mean to equate that with the Holocaust but in the way that it was legitimate almost – and still is in some parts – to target Jews, many Muslims would say that we feel the exact same way.
    "Somehow there's a message out there that it's OK to target people as long as it's Muslims. And you don't have to worry about the facts, and people will turn a blind eye."
    The claims are made in an interview to be broadcast on Monday in a Channel 4 Dispatches programme to coincide with the third anniversary of the London bombings of 7 July.
    A poll to accompany the documentary highlights the growing polarisation of opinion among Britain's 1.6 million Muslims, who say they have suffered a marked increase in hostility since the London bombings.
    The ICM survey found that 51 per cent of Britons blame Islam to some degree for the 2005 attacks while more than a quarter of Muslims now believe Islamic values are not compatible with British values. While 90 per cent of Muslims said they felt attached to Britain, eight out of 10 said they felt there was more religious prejudice against their faith since the July bombings.
    The Dispatches film, "It Shouldn't Happen to a Muslim", presented by the writer and broadcaster Peter Oborne, examines claims that negative attitudes to Muslims have become legitimised by think-tanks and newspaper commentators, who use language that is now being parroted by the far right.
    Mr Malik, who narrowly escaped serious injury when a car was driven at him at a petrol station in his home town of Burnley in 2002, said he regularly receives anti-Muslim hate mail at his constituency office in Dewsbury, West Yorkshire, which has the highest BNP vote in the country and was home to Mohammad Sidique Khan, the leader of the suicide attackers who killed 52 people in London in 2005.
    The MP said the negative portrayal of Muslims in the media, including a story run by several national newspapers in December last year wrongly stating that staff in the Dewsbury and District Hospital had been ordered to turn the beds of Muslim patients towards Mecca five times a day, was a key example of how his co-religionists were being alienated from the mainstream.
    He said: "It's almost as if you don't have to check your facts when it comes to certain people, and you can just run with those stories. It makes Muslims feel like aliens in their own country. At a time when we want to engage with Muslims, actually the opposite happens."
    The Dispatches programme also speaks to Andy Hayman, the former Metropolitan Police Assistant Commissioner who was Britain's most senior anti-terrorism officer until he resigned last December. Mr Hayman, who was criticised for failing to tell senior Scotland Yard officers that an innocent man, Jean Charles de Menezes, had been shot dead after being mistaken for a suicide bomber, is asked why he thinks it is important to engage with Muslims expressing extreme views.
    Mr Hayman said: "Because we're tackling head on the people that we feel are at the heartbeat of this whole complex agenda. Not to have a dialogue with them would seem that we are apprehensive, we're scared, we're frightened... So even if it's appeasement in some quarters, that is still a conversation that is not being had and needs to be had."
    Mr Malik's comments were backed by Simon Woolley, a member of the Government's task force on race equality, and co-founder of Operation Black Vote. He said: "On an almost daily basis, there is rampant Islamophobia in this country, the effect of which is not for our Muslim community to get closer to a sense of Britishness but to feel further away from a feeling of belonging in British society."



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    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...se-859996.html


    The enemy within? Fear of Islam: Britain's new disease
    Suspicion of the Muslim community has found its way into mainstream society – and nobody seems to care. By Peter Oborne
    The Independent, Friday, 4 July 2008
    Three years ago, four young suicide bombers caused carnage in London. Their aim was not just to kill and maim. There was also a long-term strategic purpose: to sow suspicion and divide Britain between Muslims and the rest. They are succeeding.
    In Britain today, there is a deepening distrust between mainstream society and ever more isolated Muslim communities. A culture of contempt and violence is emerging on our streets.
    Sarfraz Sarwar is a pillar of the Muslim community in Basildon, Essex. He is constantly abused and attacked, and the prayer centre he used has been burnt to the ground.
    Mr Sarwar, who has six children and whose wife is matron of an old people's home, is a patently decent man. His only crime is his religious faith. He and his fellow worshippers now meet in secret to evade detection, and the attacks that would follow.
    The first abuse that Mr Sarwar's family suffered was in October 2001 – just after the 9/11 attacks – when pigs' trotters were left outside their door, the walls of their house were covered with graffiti and two front windows were broken.
    Since then, the family has suffered many attacks, including a failed fire-bombing. In February, the tyres of Mr Sarwar's new car were slashed; in March his windows were broken again. He has now installed CCTV cameras, replaced his wooden back door with one made of steel and erected higher fences.
    An investigation for Channel 4's Dispatches programme discovered many violent episodes and attacks on Muslims, with very few reported; those that do get almost no publicity.
    Last week, Martyn Gilleard, a Nazi sympathiser in East Yorkshire, was jailed for 16 years. Police found four nail bombs, bullets, swords, axes and knives in his flat. Gilleard had been preparing for a war against Muslims. In a note at his flat he had written, "I am sick and tired of hearing nationalists talking of killing Muslims, blowing up mosques and fighting back only to see these acts of resistance fail. The time has come to stop the talking and start to act."
    The Gilleard case went all but unreported. Had a Muslim been found with an arsenal of weapons and planning violent assaults, it would have been a far bigger story.
    There is a reason for this blindness in the media. The systematic demonisation of Muslims has become an important part of the central narrative of the British political and media class; it is so entrenched, so much part of normal discussion, that almost nobody notices. Protests go unheard and unnoticed.
    Why? Britain's Muslim immigrants are mainly poor, isolated and alienated from mainstream society. Many are a different colour. As a community, British Muslims are relatively powerless. There are few Muslim MPs, there has never been a Muslim cabinet minister, no mainstream newspaper is owned by a Muslim and, as far as we are aware, only one national newspaper has a regular Muslim columnist on its comment pages, Yasmin Alibhai-Brown of The Independent.
    Surveys show Muslims have the highest rate of unemployment, the poorest health, the most disability and fewest educational qualifications of any faith group in the country. This means they are vulnerable, rendering them open to ignorant and hostile commentary from mainstream figures.
    Islamophobia – defined in 1997 by the landmark report from the Runnymede Trust as "an outlook or world-view involving an unfounded dread and dislike of Muslims, which results in practices of exclusion and discrimination" – can be encountered in the best circles: among our most famous novelists, among newspaper columnists, and in the Church of England.
    Its appeal is wide-ranging. "I am an Islamophobe," the Guardian columnist Polly Toynbee wrote in The Independent nearly 10 years ago. "Islamophobia?" the Sunday Times columnist Rod Liddle asks rhetorically in the title of a recent speech, "Count me in". Imagine Liddle declaring: "Anti-Semitism? Count me in", or Toynbee claiming she was "an anti-Semite and proud of it".
    Anti-Semitism is recognised as an evil, noxious creed, and its adherents are barred from mainstream society and respectable organs of opinion. Not so Islamophobia.
    Its practitioners say Islamophobia cannot be regarded as the same as anti-Semitism because the former is hatred of an ideology or a religion, not Muslims themselves. This means there is no social, political or cultural protection for Muslims: as far as the British political, media and literary establishment is concerned the normal rules of engagement are suspended.
    "There is a definite urge; don't you have it?", the author Martin Amis told Ginny Dougary of The Times: "The Muslim community will have to suffer until it gets its house in order. Not letting them travel. Deportation; further down the road. Curtailing of freedoms. Strip-searching people who look like they're from the Middle East or Pakistan. Discriminatory stuff, until it hurts the whole community and they start getting tough with their children." Here, Amis is doing much more than insulting Muslims. He is using the foul and barbarous language of fascism. Yet his books continue to sell, and his work continues to be celebrated.
    And we found the language of Islamophobic columnists such as Toynbee, Liddle, or novelists such as Amis, duplicated by the British National Party and its growing band of supporters.
    All over Europe, parties of the far right have been dropping their traditional hostility to minorities such as Jews and homosexuals; in Britain, the BNP has come to realise that anti-Semitism and anti-black campaigning won't work if they are serious about electoral success.
    To move to mainstream respectability, they need an issue that allows them to exploit people's fears about immigrants and Britain's ethnic minority communities without being branded racist extremists.
    They have found it. Since 9/11, and particularly 7/7, the BNP has gone all out to tap a rich vein of anti-Muslim sentiment. The party's leader, Nick Griffin, has described Islam as a "wicked, vicious faith" and has tried to distance himself and the party from its anti-Semitic past. Party members are now rebuked for discussing the Holocaust and told to focus on terrorism, the evils of Islam, and scare stories of Britain becoming an Islamic state.
    Griffin's strategy has been inspired by the press. He said: "We bang on about Islam. Why? Because to the ordinary public out there it's the thing they can understand. It's the thing the newspaper editors sell newspapers with."
    Last month, we visited Stoke-on-Trent, a BNP heartland with nine BNP councillors, a council second only to Barking and Dagenham in far-right representation. The party has made this progress in large part by mounting a vicious anti-Muslim campaign. Stoke has one of the lowest employment rates in the country since the pottery industry collapsed. The BNP has tried to link this decline to Muslim immigration.
    Other campaigns have focused on planning issues over mosques, a flashpoint elsewhere too. The BNP accuses the Labour council of cutting special deals with Muslim groups in exchange for support. Wherever we explored tension between Muslims and the local community we tended to discover the BNP was present, fanning discontent.
    Many categories of immigrants and foreigners have been singled out for hatred and opprobrium by mainstream society because they were felt to be threats to British identity. At times, these despised categories have included Catholics, Jews, French and Germans; gays were held to subvert decency and normality until the 1980s, blacks until the 1970s, and Jews for centuries. Now this outcast role has fallen to Muslims. And it is the perception that Muslims receive special treatment that fuels the most resentment. When we investigated clashes at a Muslim dairy in Windsor, we found the perception that police had failed to investigate what seemed to be a racist attack by Asian youths on a local woman played a powerful role in fanning resentments.
    But by the same token we believe that Muslims should be given the same protection as other minority groups from insults or ignorant abuse. This protection is not available. Ordinary Muslim families are virtually a silenced minority.
    We should all feel ashamed about the way we treat Muslims, in the media, in our politics, and on our streets. We do not treat Muslims with the tolerance, decency and fairness that we often like to boast is the British way. We urgently need to change our public culture.
    Peter Oborne's Dispatches film, "It Shouldn't Happen to a Muslim", will be screened on Channel 4 at 8pm on Monday. The pamphlet Muslims Under Siege, by Peter Oborne and James Jones, is published next week by Democratic Audit





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    Ofcourse there would be Islamophobia in Britain if all the muslims did was distance themselves from the English. i mean go to all 4 corners of London, especially East and North. its practically Islamabad, or Istanbul.

    Its our fault, we distance ourselves form the swine (English). thats how most see it. the new generation is worse though. go to universitys in london. most students are muslim, they are the smartest to. but like they all jihadists man. they look down on muslims who aint like them. So they kinda act like Jews.

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    lol tho, wouldn't the jews of europe be the jews of europe

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    they probably mean it by the singled-out ppl of Europe. who are slowly becoming the most hated.

    i think its bollocks though. muslims seem to be complaining more and more as the days go on. we just gotta shut up and live our lives.

    british muslims should be happy they live in England. they should go to Turkey, doctors wont look at a patient who wears a headscarf.

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    i guess, idk what it's like over there, so yeah, but i hear the muslims got that shit locked down pad lock.

    europe is gonna be uneuropean pretty soon, white ppl aren't having kids and the influx of immigrants is unmatched

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    also along with the high number of immigrants. i mean i seen from the universities here in London. most engineering, science, and medical students are muslims. Thats the future of England in the hands of foreigners.

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    Ya, like u said, white Brits are not having kids so u outnumber them. All this hate is based on fear. Islamophobia is the new acceptable racism. But it will backfire just like racism against jews, blacks, gays, etc.

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    ^^nah that couldnt of been you at the concert - you were here in KTL.
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    a world of such economic imbalance is the cause,
    but if i were british i'd get pissed off.

    fuck that shit.

    america is a different case, the whole point is everyone coming over, but british, nah.

    i just imagine that being like if a bunch of white people came into nigeria and started outnumbering nigerians

    or you can see it as a bunch of brits coming over and outnumbering turks

    gay as fuck

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    Did the Jews get synagogues built for them all over Europe, did they get free welfare money if they couldn't find a job, have they been protected from cartoons their religion might take offense to?

    The country I live in is shaping into some sort of Muslim friendly bow-down-nation. Our government is doing everything do please Muslims as much as they can.

    Your religion doesn't allow you to be treated by a female doctor? No problem, we'll adjust.
    This hospital food isn't halal? We'll adjust.
    A cartoon that makes fun of what you belief in? Preposterous! We'll throw the author in jail for a night, search his house and make him censor his works.


    Oh and another thing, in WWII the Muslims weren't shy to help the Germans kill off a few Jews...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13th_Wa...st_Croatian%29
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shenkie View Post
    Did the Jews get synagogues built for them all over Europe, did they get free welfare money if they couldn't find a job, have they been protected from cartoons their religion might take offense to?

    The country I live in is shaping into some sort of Muslim friendly bow-down-nation. Our government is doing everything do please Muslims as much as they can.

    Your religion doesn't allow you to be treated by a female doctor? No problem, we'll adjust.
    This hospital food isn't halal? We'll adjust.
    A cartoon that makes fun of what you belief in? Preposterous! We'll throw the author in jail for a night, search his house and make him censor his works.


    Oh and another thing, in WWII the Muslims weren't shy to help the Germans kill off a few Jews...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13th_Wa...st_Croatian%29

    Good points.

    It is like that and should be like that cuz "The West" claims religious tolerance and gives the right to others to practice their beliefs.

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    Its funny how all these Muslims, these self-proclaimed righteous individuals,
    who accuse Western Europeans of all these bad things, call them swine(as HAN did), yet
    their own people aren't as accepting as the British or French.
    And STILL, they bitch about things.
    If i was British, and London was becoming a Muslim haven, I'd be pissed off.
    Imagine if Tehran or Istanbul became flooded with Americans, and they began to outnumber
    the native populace.
    There would be executions.
    Still blaiming the West for the worlds problems I see.....Deep down inside, I think its jealousy and embarassment that angers the Muslims more than anything.

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    LOL @ the new Jews of Europe.

    When you go thru centuries of what Jews went thru and experience concentration and
    death camps, than you can start talking.
    As it stands, you on THEIR territory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NickyTooch View Post
    Its funny how all these Muslims, these self-proclaimed righteous individuals,
    who accuse Western Europeans of all these bad things, call them swine(as HAN did), yet
    their own people aren't as accepting as the British or French.
    And STILL, they bitch about things.
    If i was British, and London was becoming a Muslim haven, I'd be pissed off.
    Imagine if Tehran or Istanbul became flooded with Americans, and they began to outnumber
    the native populace.
    There would be executions.
    Is the west really accepting or are immigrants allowed to enter cuz there is certain work that the citizens do not want to do?

    Also, western countries need to have the population of it's citizens at certain numbers.

    Westeners tend to not have much children as necessary to sustain positive population density, so immigrants need to be let in.

    When Iran has negative population density, they will get immigrants in.

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