☭ Armand Dickle ★, what do u actually know about communism?

[Ghost In The 'Lac]

Socialism is the people. If you're afraid of socialism, you're afraid of yourself.
-- Fred Hampton

^HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHhahahahahahaha!!!!

Who writes this shit!! Gavin???

Your love/hate for communism has got you fearing yourself. hahahahaha

[AcidPhosphate69]

You guys can keep writing but the truth is you don't understand communism. Some of you barely even understand capitalism. You have no idea. Your only source on the subject is bourgeois sources whose interests contradict that of ours and the Marxists who articulate it.

How many of you have even read original sources of communist or anti-capitalist literature? Anybody?

Peace.

Here, I got this rat's ass. It's yours.

Seriously though, you're right. I have not read any original sources of the true politic. I don't want to. Politicians lie, cheat, steal and overall make embarassments out of the human race.

You know what I am? I'm a fucking human being. You're a tool. I refuse to play your tool games.

And if you really want to change things, you're playing the same games as the ones you feel need changing. How does that make sense?

Existing channels and rallies and pep and pride and step and stride and keep on fucking playing my friend...the finish line is just over there....

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[rainbow]

Obviously ☭ Armand Sickle ★ can speak for himself, and he usually does so more than adequately.

As he has probably mentioned (i haven't read past the first post), the countries you're naming aren't really communist.

Everyone here is looking at (what they think is) communism from a historical perspective, rather than a theoretical one.

Apart from that, it always strikes me as weird the way in which people despise passion.

They always demand to know what a person is doing to justify their passion and what tangible results have come from it.

What this stems from i don't know, maybe a lack of direction or an under developed sense of purpose.

[5hundred&one]

^ co-sign, I've had to say it on this site before. I don't think Armand Sickle supports the government of China and North Korea. why use those as leverage in your debate? read up on the works of Marx, Lenin, Trotsky etc. if you want to debate him, because that seems to be the philosophy he believes in and it's never been instilled in any government, ever.

[Ghost In The 'Lac]

What does ideas in books have to do with real life?

Anyone can come up with an idea on how to live good. I could do it. So what.

[RALPH WIGGUM]

Its all about Equality and Freedom.
Capitalism is Freedom over Equality.
Communism is Equality over Freedom.
They can both benefit everybody if applied correctly, or end up in totalitarism or economic exploitation if applied uncorrectly.

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[Ghost In The 'Lac]

Countries that went the communist road ended up alot worse than countries that didnt.

That is all.

[rainbow]

Once again, your looking at it historically.

If any of the examples you have stated were truly examples of communism in action, then maybe there would be merit in that approach, unfortunately there really aren't.

I'll agree with this though to an extent:

Seriously though, you're right. I have not read any original sources of the true politic. I don't want to. Politicians lie, cheat, steal and overall make embarrassments out of the human race.

And i have read political texts (mostly not by choice).

I admire the optimism of those that champion a genuine political philosophy though.

It's just that my personal pessimism leads me to view politics in general as futile.

[5hundred&one]

that's essentially what you're arguing against is ideas in books. Armand Sickle's ideals have never truly been implemented or they're a significantly different foundation than what most historical examples of communism have used to shape their government. every theory on how society should function had it's modest start somewhere, be it a book, essay or just an idealistic thought and you're railing against different policies than what Armand Sickle believes in, which are ideas in books and choice examples of revolutionary action, Lenin for example.

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[Prolifical ENG]

In Ontario, we have a liquor distribution program that is still from the Soviet era. The government make a shitload from it. Whenever they consider privatizing it, they are reminded of the figures they are making from it.

On one hand they say the stupid prices are to prevent irrisponsible drinking which is bullshit. However that high revenue helps pay for services like free helthcare.

On the other hand, go travelling in the world and you will see some products available that they wont carry in Ontario and relatively dirt cheap prices. You are limited for how much alcohol you can return to the province and most of it needs to get smuggled in or you will be paying a really heavy duty tax.

[rainbow]

Its all about Equality and Freedom.
Capitalism is Freedom over Equality.
Communism is Equality over Freedom.
They can both benefit everybody if applied correctly, or end up in totalitarism or economic exploitation if applied uncorrectly.

Yeah.

I mean, has capitalism worked anywhere?

A true form of capitalism?

I can't think of an example.

It's quite comparable to economic communism really. Both were hybridised and both in large have failed to fulfill their respective goals.