"Atheists have no morals, just look at Stalin & Hitler"

[zooruka]

Some Religious people actually seem to think that they did those things BECAUSE they were atheists

Im not sure about hitler but it`s a well known fact that the soviet union persecuted christians, they used to put them in mental asylums if they refused to give up there faith....or send them to labour camps and in some cases just kill them.


also look at china religious freedom is forbidden by the state and what christianity is allowed to be practiced is the one sanctioned by the chinese government..did you know that the book of revelations is banned in china.



Im not sure that these people did those things on the basis that they truly believed there was no God, but there actions all point to the fact that they where so hungry for power and controlle that they wanted to stamp out God altogether....so in that regard they are athiests because they had no belief in God.


peace be with you !

[Sir Artsdradamus]

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what about the christian catholic church helping cover up the holocause which 6 million jews died?


"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." -Steven Weinberg

[Rollo]

Has anybody else heard comments like this?
Firstly, what religious propaganda convinced people that every mass-murderer of the 20th century was an atheists.
No Question Stalin Was an atheists but Hitler wasn't, just another Christian hating the Jews. Either way it was still religious people doing their dirty work.

No. I'm sorry but what you're saying is incorrect on two levels

1. The Communist reds who killed tens of millions of Slavs and other Russians post world war 2 were atheists.
They even chanted things such as "Science has killed God" as they burned down churchs and synagogues in Poland and the Ukraine. I know that because I had relatives who lived through it. There was even a position in the Russian government that was used for the distribution of atheist literature to all schools and universities(I don't recall what the actual title was called)

2. Hitler inspite of what he told his public was NOT a christian. He consulted with a Jewish psychic named Erik Jan Hanussen before the war and he along with the higher ranking nazi regime had a different belief system which would be called the Vril Society. They believed in a higher form of life which had settled and lived in a hollow earth.

http://www.echoesofenoch.com/Musium1...il_society.htm



They of course based their faith on a work of science fiction, which is strangely similar to scientology.


He was no a christian but he did often try to line up his national policies with christianity so he could reach the masses on a certain level. He had his own form of christianity in Mein Kampf which he called "Positive Christianty", it was essentially a warped ideology bent around national socialism with some christian nuance.

That said, Hitler was not an atheist.

Atheists have taken lives in great number, so have religious people. However, there are many billions more religious people through out history than there ever have been atheists, so yes, religious people have taken more lives.

That has nothing to do with doctrine though.



Wars happen because of resources and power, not religion.

[zooruka]

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what about the christian catholic church helping cover up the holocause which 6 million jews died?

Look whatever has happend in the name of christianity was and will never be apart of what is prescribed for christians to follow in the bible.

Just because someone claims christian status don`t make it true even Jesus told us this... and If you a wondering how to tell a real christian from a fake ....Jesus said you will know them by there fruit ( what they produce in life wether good or bad) a healthy tree doesn`t bear bad fruit and a poor tree doesn`t bear good fruit !!!!! and any tree that doesn`t bear good fruit is cut down and thrown out ( into hell)

peace be with you !

peace be with you !

[Sir Artsdradamus]

Look whatever has happend in the name of christianity was and will never be apart of what is prescribed for christians to follow in the bible.

Just because someone claims christian status don`t make it true even Jesus told us this.


peace be with you !

well if that's the case, then quit complaining about what some athiests are doing to christians because...

Look whatever has happend in the name of athiesm was and will never be apart of what is prescribed for athiests to follow in science books

Just because someone claims athiest status don`t make it true even Darwin told us this.

[zooruka]

well if that's the case, then quit complaining about what some athiests are doing to christians because...

Look whatever has happend in the name of athiesm was and will never be apart of what is prescribed for athiests to follow in science books

Just because someone claims athiest status don`t make it true even Darwin told us this.

Its true that not all athiests are mass murdering maniac`s, but athiests generally seem like hostile people in nature, which manifests itself towards religious people and things of a religious nature, God ect..... and if given the chance, I firmly believe 99% of athiests would gladly force everyone to believe there view point, either through indoctrination or through violence.

peace be with you !

[Sir Artsdradamus]

Its true that not all athiests are mass murdering maniac`s, but athiests generally seem like hostile people in nature, which manifests itself towards religious people and things of a religious nature, God ect..... and if given the chance, I firmly believe 99% of athiests would gladly force everyone to believe there view point, either through indoctrination or through violence.

peace be with you !

well then...

Its true that not all christians are mass murdering maniac`s, but christians generally seem like hostile people in nature, which manifests itself towards non-christian people and things of a non-religious nature, etc..... and if given the chance, I firmly believe 99% of christians would gladly force everyone to believe their view point, either through indoctrination or through violence.

[Come Honor Face]

The most hypocritical, and judgmental people I've ever met are Christians. They can't stand the fact that everyone on earth doesn't have the same beliefs they do, and it bothers them so bad that they have to try to force feed everyone their bullshit. That said, I only know a few Muslims, and they aren't nearly as radical as some Muslims in "Muslim countries" as they like to be called. Normally, the more religious someone is, the bigger asshole they are. Just how it seems to me.

[Sir Artsdradamus]

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yeah, Zooruka keeps giving examples of when non-christians to evil things. then when you give an example of christians doing evil things, he says well that's not every christian. exactly, and not every athiest is evil.

i think zooruka really believes that there are only a handful of atheists in this world and they all seek power and become murdering tyrants.

there are a lot of atheists in the world who just live normal lives. actually, a high percentage of the world's scientists are atheists

[Shogah]

The Jews wiped out entire cultures,

When did the jews have big empire and conquered other cultures?

They had strong country during king David but they never ran any campaign against other nations or culture. (unless you consider forcing palestinians out of israel as wiping other culture)

The crusade wars had religious background but you must always look at economical reasons, since palestine is on the best trading point in the world.

I don't think hitler was religious, don't forget that he executed both muslim and christian priests along with jews, gypsies and homos.

[Face of the Golden Falcon]

When did the jews have big empire and conquered other cultures?

...have you read how they came to occupy their promised land according to the bible? It wasn't just a vacant block of land for them to move on to.

HETEPU

[Shogah]

that's irrelevant to this discussion.

Main point is that "most wars are a religion thing" is false. No doubt religion is a great factor of instability and disputes but, there are many great religious people through history, as much as atheists who who made great impact on civilization course.

[TheBoarzHeadBoy]

I think Atheism is arrogant, but not evil. But no more arrogant then to be totally certain.

Look no one is certain of God. If you're certain of a God then you're being arrogant. You are deluding yourself. If you are certain of no God then you're being arrogant. You are also deluding yourself.

They're both very bold claims to state. You may think God is unlikely or likely, but it's arrogant, almost hubris to claim to know for sure.

[diggy]

, the Muslim crusade took many lives as well and it's atheists with the bad morals because of 2 people.

There is no such thing as a muslim crusade. The crusades where when the christians decided to go to war with non-christians. The muslims who fought against them did so in self defense.



As for war in general, it has been going on for thousands of years.
Ever took a history course?

[zooruka]

The doctrine of christianity does not promote hostility in any form, but the doctrine of atheism promotes vigerous hostility, really atheists are like gays they hate when someone tells them there life style is wrong and claim prejudice but gays like athiests use any chance, any chance they get to force there opinion on someone.

Yes the church does try and spread the gospel of christ because that is the command christ himself gave for us to do...but remember christians and the doctrine of christianity does not force anyone to be christian (despite what so called fake christians did in the past) or believe in God ...I think you mistaking proclomation of the gospel as some sort of policy of forced converstion when in fact it`s far from that....but athiests agressively try to force there belief on society, whether that be flat out denial of God`s existance or the more subtle approch of vocally spouting the doctrine of evoloution....

I think this statement basically sums up mu point of veiw on the argument:

athiests aggressivly want people to believe what they believe but christians only try to convince people to believe what they believe.


peace be with you !