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    Overall i believe in niether political systems, but if i had to choose, i would go with Armands argument.

    Capitilism is designed to exploit for the gain of a select few.
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    Capitalism is Freedom over Equality.
    Communism is Equality over Freedom.
    Thats all.


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    In a world where not Wealth but Knowledge determines status socialism is a more viable option.

    Extremes don't work, you have to find the 'goldilocks zone'
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    God damn it, you are so fucking wrong...

    YOU HAVE 3 RIGHTS!

    YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO LIVE.

    YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO MAKE YOUR OWN CHOICES.

    YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO STRIVE FOR SATISFACTION.

    EVERYTHING ELSE IS A PRIVILEGE.

    If you don't believe that you don't believe in nature. Animals have a right to live. Animals make all their own choices. Animals have the right to try to survive in prosper.

    Your healthcare? Privilege.
    Your social security? Privilege.
    Your weekends off from work? Privilege.
    Your breakfast? Privilege.
    Your job? Privilege.
    Your minimum wage? Privilege.
    Your car? Privilege.
    Your house? Privilege.
    Your Workers comp? Privilege.
    Your Environmental Protections? Privilege.


    Realistically, a company should be able to fire you for being black, gay, straight, male, female, funny, ugly, smelly, blind, retarded, or otherwise unsuitable for work. If they don't like you they can fire you. You have 1 basic right as a worker. If you don't like it, you can quit any time. That's called FREEDOM.

    Despite what you are told, jobs are not "taken", they are changed. So if everyone in Mexico instantly became a citizen, there would actually be more jobs then before, not less. You may "lose" the exact job in question, but new jobs will arise.

    If you don't believe this, be lucky you have a right to live, because you certainly didn't earn it as a privilege.
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    libertarian bullshit

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBoarzHeadBoy View Post
    God damn it, you are so fucking wrong...

    YOU HAVE 3 RIGHTS!

    YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO LIVE.

    YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO MAKE YOUR OWN CHOICES.

    YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO STRIVE FOR SATISFACTION.

    EVERYTHING ELSE IS A PRIVILEGE.

    If you don't believe that you don't believe in nature. Animals have a right to live. Animals make all their own choices. Animals have the right to try to survive in prosper.

    Your healthcare? Privilege.
    Your social security? Privilege.
    Your weekends off from work? Privilege.
    Your breakfast? Privilege.
    Your job? Privilege.
    Your minimum wage? Privilege.
    Your car? Privilege.
    Your house? Privilege.
    Your Workers comp? Privilege.
    Your Environmental Protections? Privilege.


    Realistically, a company should be able to fire you for being black, gay, straight, male, female, funny, ugly, smelly, blind, retarded, or otherwise unsuitable for work. If they don't like you they can fire you. You have 1 basic right as a worker. If you don't like it, you can quit any time. That's called FREEDOM.

    Despite what you are told, jobs are not "taken", they are changed. So if everyone in Mexico instantly became a citizen, there would actually be more jobs then before, not less. You may "lose" the exact job in question, but new jobs will arise.

    If you don't believe this, be lucky you have a right to live, because you certainly didn't earn it as a privilege.
    Oh shit you can't be serious! If you are then wow, just wow...
    Healthcare, a privilege? A home, a fucking privilege?!
    These are rights. Everybody deserve a home, and homeless people should be able to sue the state.
    Companies can fire you for being black, or a woman, or if they don't like you?! You defend that?!
    Thats unbelievable, I think your fear of being a "liberal pussy" is so extreme that you end up defending everything that is wrong in the corrupted capitalistic system. Capitalism is good, when it aims at giving everybody what they deserve, which is what I like in Capitalism, but the Capitalism we know today, and the one you surprisingly defend, when even if you love it you should be hiding it, its the fucking Cosa Nostra, its a selected few, constantly changing the rules to keep everything to themselves.


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    Why do you have a right to those things? You can survive without them, why should you automatically get one? Just because I like you?

    Everyone can get a house, but they shouldn't just get one handed to them. If you won't work live in a tent. You act like people were dropped here by aliens. We evolved to live on earth. We have houses for the conveniences. Thus they're privileges not rights. I'm not sure why that confounds people. I'm not saying people should live on the streets, but I'm not buying them a house with my taxes, but I'd put money towards buying them a house with charity.

    I don't think I owe anyone I don't know anything, but I'll choose to help. That's why me doing something nice reflects back on me too.

    You act like libertarianism is evil.

    I owe you nothing. But I'll help you because it's the right thing to do. I'm not advocating any choices, just that we can make our choices and people can't tell you what to do. You're a grown man damn it, don't let anyone tell you what you can and can't do.

    I'm not afraid of being a "liberal Pussy" I think gays should be able to get married, the idea of a prison system is unconstitutional, that women should be treated equally to men. I think the Republicans are morally corrupt and the Democrats are intellectually challenged. Society is what we make of it, not what the suits in DC make of it.
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    we were dropped here by aliens.
    the bible says it right there in genesis.
    the sumerians and every other culture on earth will tell you this to be true.

    anyway... boarz isn't even old enough to drive and has been old enough to work for less than a year. why are you arguing with him? i got kids older than him. damn.

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    I agree with some of what TheBoarzHeadBoy said about entitlement programs. Libertarianism limits government more than other political ideologies, so it is by no means a bad thing. Though I am not a libertarian myself, I take what they have to say on issues seriously and usually agree with them more than I do American Demoncrats.

    No one should be guaranteed and entitled free property or free services just because they are alive. You should have to be a productive member of society in order to benefit from society. Otherwise you'll just have a bunch of bloodsucking leeches leeching off the few people in society who actually do produce and contribute production and wealth.

    Look at the bloodsucking bureaucracy in Greece. They get paid for 14 months out of the year even though there are only 12 months in a year! And who pays their wages? The taxpayers. So the bureacracy is blood sucking off the productive taxpaying members of society. This sort of redistribution of wealth is unsustainable and collapses itself every time.

    Entitlement programs are wrong. Even your freedom is just a privilege. As soon as you prove that you are dangerous to society and are capable of murdering other people or else repeatedly robbing banks you end up in prison the rest of your life. Kiss freedom goodbye.

    People don't appreciate anything unless they earned it. I learned this lesson early on in life. And sometimes people don't appreciate something until its gone. The more powers you give to your government, the less freedom you have from your government. We need FREE people in a FREE market with currency that they can FREELY exchange for products and services, and competition so that I always have bargaining power. This system is brilliant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by power to the people View Post
    All power to the people.
    All power to the people? How? Is everyone supposed to participate in democratic elections for every single issue every day? Representative power to the people? We have 350+ million people in this country. You want to give them all power? How do you tally each one of their opinions on an issue? How do you congregate? How do 350 million people all compromise? It is difficult enough to get two people to compromise.

    What is your idea of power to the people? Because in Communism, we all know that power ends up in the hands of the VERY FEW. So you can flaunt your slogan "Power to the People" but what you really mean is that just a very few in the upper elite in Communist countries (Stalin and his cronies, Castro and his cronies) are going to have all the power, not the people. In matter of fact, In capitalist America, it is actually amazing how much power normal common people actually have.

    If you EVER EVER want communism to work, it will have to be so watered down and borrow so many ideas from capitalism that by the time you are done it'll practically be socialist capitalism anyways. It won't be communism anymore.

    Communism sucks. Read between the lines. Don't buy into their stupid slogans that would lead you to believe that it empowers the individual because it does the opposite. It empowers "the people" which communists deceitfully use to replace "the government" because really all they do is empower their idiotic dictators such as Castro Or Stalin who don't know shit about how to enrich their economies. So basically you empower one guy who knows less about economics than an American third grader. Communist governments have no checks and balances. Communism, once you study it and study its history, is practically laughable. However it is not laughable when you are a citizen stuck in a country ruled by communism, then the laughter becomes tears as your country decays into shit and hunger begins to swell your belly.

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    Like I said before, neither extreme is good, you have to find a goldilocks zone.

    ALso Sens-A you seem to confuse Communism with Dictatorship, dictatorship happens in Capitalist societies as well and is definitely not exclusive to communism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBoarzHeadBoy View Post
    God damn it, you are so fucking wrong...

    YOU HAVE 3 RIGHTS!

    YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO LIVE.

    YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO MAKE YOUR OWN CHOICES.

    YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO STRIVE FOR SATISFACTION.

    EVERYTHING ELSE IS A PRIVILEGE.

    If you don't believe that you don't believe in nature. Animals have a right to live. Animals make all their own choices. Animals have the right to try to survive in prosper.
    Apparently you don't believe in nature either, there is nothing 'natural' about the concept of rights (because it is only a conception).

    What criteria distinguishes your rights from privileges?

    If a spider captures and eats a fly does the fly have its right to 'survive and prosper'. I would say no, it has lost its right, and the spider has gained its right to kill it. If I am enslaved, do I have the right to make my own choices? Haven't I lost that right and hasn't my master gained the right to own me?


    'Right' is just a semantic concept, it is a statement of aspiration of any given being.

    It is a subjective posing as an objective.

    I have a right to healthcare = I want healthcare
    I have a right to freedom = I want freedom


    Rights are ensured only by the power behind the aspiration making it true, OR by another being recognizing the right and making true, but NOT by the statement or aspiration in itself.


    You don't have the right to anything, unless you forge that right into being.

    That's nature.

    Both capitalism and communism work with these discourse of rights, only that communism tells more lies, and capitalism is inconsistent with its use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ikke View Post
    Like I said before, neither extreme is good, you have to find a goldilocks zone.

    ALso Sens-A you seem to confuse Communism with Dictatorship, dictatorship happens in Capitalist societies as well and is definitely not exclusive to communism.

    I agree that both do not work in their extremes.

    But I disagree that I'm confusing communism and dictatorship. I know the difference. The thing is, that when you live under the rule of communism, you are not allowed to oppose the political party in control. Therefore you have no political freedom. Now I think that Visionz pointed out that a watered down communist country such as his example of Yugoslavia may allow political opposition, but the traditional idea of communism does not tolerate political dissent at all.

    Cuba is communist. Castro is their dictator.

    North Korea is communist. Kim II Sung is their dictator.

    The Soviet Union was communist. Stalin was their dictator.

    You see, communism opens up the window for dictators to easily obtain and maintain power. So they both sort of go hand in hand whether you like to admit it or not. History tells us this.

    But communism and capitalism are more-so how economies are setup. A dictatorship is a form of government. We can get into a discussion on forms and setups of governments if you want. But it might be better suited for a separate thread.

    And P2P, i have a rebuttal for you but I'll save it for tonight when I get home and finished working for my EVIL CAPITALIST employer that is whipping me as i'm on the clock getting paid to post on WuCorp right now. Oh boy he just put the Friday paycheck on my desk. The oppression! I can't take it!

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