Communism vs. Capitalism

[Sense-A]

re-do your math. corporations also receive public goods from tax revenues. better yet, re-calculate according to the proportion of benefits from public expenditure and said beneficiaries.

redo my math? I divided the total tax revenue by the total number of people in the country. I'm an accountant. Math is not a problem for me. Corporations are made up of people, so I didn't exclude them. Most of the public expenditures and social services go to lower class people, not to corporations. The facts that corporations are actually owned by people sort of cancels that out, does it not? I divide total tax revenue by total people (including human shareholders who own corporations).

My point is that if you want EQUALITY you should pay your equal fucking share. Mr. Bad Evil corporate CEO is paying your share for you, which you are ungrateful for. The rich people do not get nearly as much benefit from the entitlement and welfare/social programs and public good funds. You are wrong. Most of the public goods are used to benefit minorities and people below a certain income level. So the rich people are paying your share of the taxes while you reap most of the benefits.

We have child labor laws in America. If you don't like the fact that child labor is happening in other countries, go complain to those other countries. I vote in politicians that are against child labor. I'm not guilty of anything that you aren't guilty of when it comes to buying import products. What do you want us to do Visionz? Shut off our borders and disallow imports? Communists import products too. Hell, communists even import products FROM capitalists!!! Stalin was importing good ol' American steel and American military equipment such as trucks, tanks, planes, etc. Child labor is not a problem that is isolated or distinct to capitalism. If you think child labor will go away when you rid the world of capitalism, I'm contesting that you are mistaken.

Please give examples and proof of American corporations proven to be using child labor in other countries so that I can begin boycotting them thanks to our capitalist free market system that lets me voluntarily decide who I purchase from. So far you've only made indirect and vague accusations.

I wonder if any of you on this forum will be singing a different tune if you ever become very successful and realize first hand what it is like to pay 35% of your income versus the 10% or 15% that you pay now. My point is that we already punish the wealthy people with a progressive tax system. But people like to forget about that. It's a lot more fun to just point the finger and pretend that successful businessmen are just evil evil very very bad people. Even if rich people were taxed at the same percentage rate as you, it is still multiplied by a higher income. But a higher percentage AND a higher income means A LOT more tax than you pay. Why should someone else pay tens of thousands more in tax than I do when they actually receive LESS in social benefits and are completely ineligible for a large portion of them?

Basically, if we were to EQUALIZE everything in this country, your standard of living would be even lower because you wouldn't even be able to afford your EQUAL portion of taxes to the federal government let alone your state and county and municipal government taxes as well. Put your head in the sand if you don't want to acknowledge that fact. Face it, we live in a very watered down Socialist form of capitalism in America that is actually working to your benefit if you make less than say $32,550 for people filing single.

[Sense-A]

People talk big about giving money to charity or seeking social changes and that is a good thing, but at the same time they ignore the problems that are closer to home. What good will it do to fight your revolution if you ignore the signs of depression in a family member? Why do we obsess about the big things and belittle the things we can actually change?

Because typical communists have spent their whole lives trying to blame other people for their own problems, their own failures, their own poverty or lack of employment. It is always someone else's fault and never their own. It boils down to having a piss poor attitude. Some spoiled brats in America like to pretend that they have it bad so they jump the revolution band wagon. But if it really came to spilling blood in order to get their way, they'd probably all disappear.

[Professor Poopsnagle]

I live in a communist country and just believe me, it doesn't work.

[communist cunt]

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[DUMBO]

I live in a communist country and just believe me, it doesn't work.

I live in a capitalist country and believe me it doesn't work.

[DUMBO]

redo my math? I divided the total tax revenue by the total number of people in the country. I'm an accountant. Math is not a problem for me. Corporations are made up of people, so I didn't exclude them. Most of the public expenditures and social services go to lower class people, not to corporations. The facts that corporations are actually owned by people sort of cancels that out, does it not? I divide total tax revenue by total people (including human shareholders who own corporations).

My point is that if you want EQUALITY you should pay your equal fucking share. Mr. Bad Evil corporate CEO is paying your share for you, which you are ungrateful for. The rich people do not get nearly as much benefit from the entitlement and welfare/social programs and public good funds. You are wrong. Most of the public goods are used to benefit minorities and people below a certain income level. So the rich people are paying your share of the taxes while you reap most of the benefits.

We have child labor laws in America. If you don't like the fact that child labor is happening in other countries, go complain to those other countries. I vote in politicians that are against child labor. I'm not guilty of anything that you aren't guilty of when it comes to buying import products. What do you want us to do Visionz? Shut off our borders and disallow imports? Communists import products too. Hell, communists even import products FROM capitalists!!! Stalin was importing good ol' American steel and American military equipment such as trucks, tanks, planes, etc. Child labor is not a problem that is isolated or distinct to capitalism. If you think child labor will go away when you rid the world of capitalism, I'm contesting that you are mistaken.

Please give examples and proof of American corporations proven to be using child labor in other countries so that I can begin boycotting them thanks to our capitalist free market system that lets me voluntarily decide who I purchase from. So far you've only made indirect and vague accusations.

I wonder if any of you on this forum will be singing a different tune if you ever become very successful and realize first hand what it is like to pay 35% of your income versus the 10% or 15% that you pay now. My point is that we already punish the wealthy people with a progressive tax system. But people like to forget about that. It's a lot more fun to just point the finger and pretend that successful businessmen are just evil evil very very bad people. Even if rich people were taxed at the same percentage rate as you, it is still multiplied by a higher income. But a higher percentage AND a higher income means A LOT more tax than you pay. Why should someone else pay tens of thousands more in tax than I do when they actually receive LESS in social benefits and are completely ineligible for a large portion of them?

Basically, if we were to EQUALIZE everything in this country, your standard of living would be even lower because you wouldn't even be able to afford your EQUAL portion of taxes to the federal government let alone your state and county and municipal government taxes as well. Put your head in the sand if you don't want to acknowledge that fact. Face it, we live in a very watered down Socialist form of capitalism in America that is actually working to your benefit if you make less than say $32,550 for people filing single.

well, if you are an accountant, you should know that businesses pay taxes, and their proprietors also pay individual taxes. so re-do the math and other quit typing jibberish on the internet.

[communist cunt]

Heh.

It's scary how easy and convenient it is to be a reactionary and write a whole diatribe on why the status quo is great. Hell, research and education aren't even necessary. All one has to do is parrot the contradictory sentiments of the bourgeoisie which have successfully monopolized mainstream media.

[Living-jism]

People with the least amongst of responsibility are the happiest. And people with more responsibility are sadder and suffers from stress more hence they should get paid more! It's about equal distribution of responsbilities!!! Hence communism and captialism are both right in their own ways!

[communist cunt]

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[Sense-A]

well, if you are an accountant, you should know that businesses pay taxes, and their proprietors also pay individual taxes. so re-do the math and other quit typing jibberish on the internet.

ALL CORPORATIONS AND PROPRIETORSHIPS ARE OWNED BY PEOPLE!!!! WITHOUT PEOPLE THESE TAX PAYING ORGANIZATIONS DO NOT EXIST! BY DIVIDING BY ALL PEOPLE I HAVE INCLUDED THESE ORGANIZATIONS AND ALL TAXATION. WHAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT?

Just to make you happy I will exclude corporate tax revenue, even though this throws the numbers off because tax revenue collected from corporations is still spent on PEOPLE and paid for by PEOPLE! According to the Congressional Budget Office statistics, 12% of federal tax revenue was collected from corporations in 2009. (even though the shareholders "people" suffer this taxation we will deduct it to please DUMBO)

so 12% of $2,674,007,818,000 is $320,880,938,160.

$2,674,007,818,000-$320,880,938,160=$2,353,126,879,840

$2,353,126,879,840 / 305,562,616 = $7700.96 federal tax liability PER PERSON

Please pay your EQUAL share since you want economic EQUALITY!!! Otherwise thank the people who get fucked with a 35% tax rate and pay double taxation with payroll, corporate, LT and ST capital gains taxes.

The fact of the matter is you couldn't even pay your equal share of the costs it takes to run this country. The money it costs for our roads, our military, our public buildings and offices, all the subsidies to agriculture and energy and water projects, the parks, the libraries, the public education system, state universities, hospitals, clinics, (medicare, medicaid), welfare, section 8 housing, airports, railways, etc. etc. etc.

And this isn't even counting your EQUAL fucking share of STATE taxes that pay for public officials, police, teacher salaries, etc. etc. That'll add on another couple grand to your annual bill that you should EQUALLY foot as an EQUAL citizen in the economy.

Or you can complain because Mr. Corporate CEO who has a PHD and has been successful in every business venture he's ever partaken in and drives a Mercedes 500 series and pays >$10,000 in annual income taxes while you're unemployed lazy ass drives a toyota and gets a federal tax refund at the end of the year in a greater amount than you even paid in! All the while you get to reap as many public goods benefits as he does even though you are a drain on the federal system, not a contributor.

One day you will realize this and be thankful that you live in a capitalist system, unless you are a hard worker with a good education who is successful in business and it is YOU who is getting fucked by the government taking >35% of your income.

[Sense-A]

Heh.

It's scary how easy and convenient it is to be a reactionary and write a whole diatribe on why the status quo is great. Hell, research and education aren't even necessary. All one has to do is parrot the contradictory sentiments of the bourgeoisie which have successfully monopolized mainstream media.

Bourgeoisie this bourgeoisie that. Who the fuck is the bourgeoisie? How much money do I have to make to no longer be considered proletariat and all of a sudden be called bourgeoisie? What is the salary threshold?

status quo? Reactionary? You are the one that's reactionary. It is easy to be such a miserable young teenager or young person in his 20s who has no fucking idea what he wants to do with his life and is troubled by taking on ADULT responsibilities so that your best option is to GO AGAINST the status quo and complain about how life isn't fair. THAT is the easy cop out which you are enrolled in. So you subscribe to communist propaganda even though it is only fantasy devised by sulky pathetic people such as Karl Marx. Read about Karl Marx's life. It was pathetic. The fat old man couldn't even take care of his kids. Out of 7 children only 3 of them survived to adulthood because Karl Marx was too fucking lazy to get a job! He thought he could make a living just doing the equivalent of blogging all day. And he lived in London when the industrial revolution was booming!! No excuses!!! The guy was fat as santa clause and too lazy to trim his ugly beard. Funny his children starved, maybe he was selfishly eating all the food himself judging by his fat belly in his portraits. And he was an atheist. No GOD is his miserable life.

I have asked repeatedly where in the world I could travel to and live in a IDEALISTIC COMMUNIST PARADISE. One must not exist because you have time and time again ignored my challenge. There is no Communist country on the entire planet Earth where i can live a better life than the capitalist life I live in America with as many freedoms as I currently have. Hell there isn't even a watered down Socialist Communist country on the whole fucking planet that can even come close to my current standard of living. And I'm just a normal guy working a 40 hour/week accounting job in an air conditioned office with a nice view.

[Sense-A]

The human race will, out of necessity, transcend capitalism eventually. It will be a long time, and we may kill ourselves off before then, but if we are to become an advanced civilization, we will not have such a primitive, problematic system governing our planet.

The only thing that is going to happen "OUT OF NECESSITY" is that hardworking people are no longer going to be capable of sustaining and supporting the deadbeats in society who can't keep a job but they have 10 kids out of wedlock. These parasites in society who only breed kids but do not work and do not maintain a healthy family structure with both a mother and father present are going to be cut off from all their food stamps, their free section 8 housing with free electricity and free water, their free welfare checks, their free unemployment checks, their free healthcare, their free bus passes and library cards and everything else. People are already becoming fucking sick of people leeching off the SOCIALIZED benefits and entitlements that this country provides.

And there is nothing "primitive" about our capitalist system in America. This is the most evolved system of commerce ever to grace mankind. Communism is a very primitive notion and might work in a small group of 10 nomads living in the jungle. But in an advanced modern civilization, regulated capitalism is as good as it gets.

[DUMBO]

ALL CORPORATIONS AND PROPRIETORSHIPS ARE OWNED BY PEOPLE!!!! WITHOUT PEOPLE THESE TAX PAYING ORGANIZATIONS DO NOT EXIST! BY DIVIDING BY ALL PEOPLE I HAVE INCLUDED THESE ORGANIZATIONS AND ALL TAXATION. WHAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT?

Just to make you happy I will exclude corporate tax revenue, even though this throws the numbers off because tax revenue collected from corporations is still spent on PEOPLE and paid for by PEOPLE! According to the Congressional Budget Office statistics, 12% of federal tax revenue was collected from corporations in 2009. (even though the shareholders "people" suffer this taxation we will deduct it to please DUMBO)

so 12% of $2,674,007,818,000 is $320,880,938,160.

$2,674,007,818,000-$320,880,938,160=$2,353,126,879,840

$2,353,126,879,840 / 305,562,616 = $7700.96 federal tax liability PER PERSON

Please pay your EQUAL share since you want economic EQUALITY!!! Otherwise thank the people who get fucked with a 35% tax rate and pay double taxation with payroll, corporate, LT and ST capital gains taxes.

The fact of the matter is you couldn't even pay your equal share of the costs it takes to run this country. The money it costs for our roads, our military, our public buildings and offices, all the subsidies to agriculture and energy and water projects, the parks, the libraries, the public education system, state universities, hospitals, clinics, (medicare, medicaid), welfare, section 8 housing, airports, railways, etc. etc. etc.

And this isn't even counting your EQUAL fucking share of STATE taxes that pay for public officials, police, teacher salaries, etc. etc. That'll add on another couple grand to your annual bill that you should EQUALLY foot as an EQUAL citizen in the economy.

Or you can complain because Mr. Corporate CEO who has a PHD and has been successful in every business venture he's ever partaken in and drives a Mercedes 500 series and pays >$10,000 in annual income taxes while you're unemployed lazy ass drives a toyota and gets a federal tax refund at the end of the year in a greater amount than you even paid in! All the while you get to reap as many public goods benefits as he does even though you are a drain on the federal system, not a contributor.

One day you will realize this and be thankful that you live in a capitalist system, unless you are a hard worker with a good education who is successful in business and it is YOU who is getting fucked by the government taking >35% of your income.

corporate income is not personal income. therefore your first calculation is dumb to use to analyze a capitalist economy, even more so in a global context. i guess you assume that the owners of every american corporation live in america?

your second calculation is more disingenuous than dumb, although it is still pretty dumb. public dollars are spent every day on corporations and not only in the form of subsidies. tax dollars are used to build roads and massive infrastructure not the least of which on energy facilitities that are used, nay required, by corporations. re-calculate again and quit your whining.

[DUMBO]

furthermore sense-a who the fuck says i'm poor etc etc? you are trying so hard that you are losing your bearings and coming up with silly fallacious attacks not based on any known information. you, sir, are losing your cool.

[rainbow]

Hm, why doesn't one of you provide an example of pure capitalism in action.

And another one of you can provide an example of pure communism in action.

Because Sense A is simply arguing that pure Capitalist theory works (nice observation bro... of course it fucking works, it's an idealistic theory).

Show me the pure free market functioning efficiently in practice.

Show me a nation that allows inefficient participants in it's economy to be punished, even if this is to the short term detriment of their national economy.

And i'll show you a communist nation with a contented and well adjusted population where wealth is evenly distributed and all civil services are available publicly.

Is the pointlessness of this thread sinking in... or not?

And nothing irritates me more than faggit American's who think Socialism and Communism are synonymous.

Fucking ignoramuses.