Should New York have cleared the way for a mosque to be built near the World Trade Ce

[Nick Fury]

http://msnbc.polls.newsvine.com/_que...hort%20comment

[food for thought]

yes why not?

its a fucking place of worship.

i was watching the god Cornel West on real time with bill maher and he said something like " if they can have strip clubs and porn shops right around the block(apparently they really do) then they should be permitted to have a mosque there"

fucking scary ass racist ass people i cant stand teh shit

[LONDON!]

yes why not?

its a fucking place of worship.

i was watching the god Cornel West on real time with bill maher and he said something like " if they can have strip clubs and porn shops right around the block(apparently they really do) then they should be permitted to have a mosque there"

fucking scary ass racist ass people i cant stand teh shit

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[TheBoarzHeadBoy]

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Any American who deserves the name American would want them to build there. If anything its a shining symbol of peace. It says "Terrorists who associated with this view may have killed Americans but America is above petty criminals who claim do the work of prophets."

Anyone who's making a fuss is a jingoistic boob.

Its the same idiocy when people hate on Germans because they were Nazis. There are less Nazis in Germany then in America. Hell there are probably more Nazis in America now then there were in 1942 Germany.

[LONDON!]

Any American who deserves the name American would want them to build there. If anything its a shining symbol of peace. It says "Terrorists who associated with this view may have killed Americans but America is above petty criminals who claim do the work of prophets."

Anyone who's making a fuss is a jingoistic boob.

Its the same idiocy when people hate on Germans because they were Nazis. There are less Nazis in Germany then in America. Hell there are probably more Nazis in America now then there were in 1942 Germany.

thats the 100% truth

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Yea I'm pretty sure it's allowed and in our First Amendment of the Constitution


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom..._United_States

[Edgar Erebus]

Well, to be honest, it does seem pretty tasteless to me.

[cutn' heads]

it's an old burlington coat factory building. they have great prices. i say go for it...

[Sense-A]

I do not believe there is anything illegal about it at all.

But where is the money and funding for this mosque coming from? For all we know the funding is coming from Osama bin Laden or the same Saudi bastards who orchestrated the whole thing 10 years ago.

Muslims are known for building monuments at their locations of conquest. This is not going to be your ordinary mosque. It is a $10M+ extravagant mosque being planned. It'll have all the bells and whistles.

And just to smack you in the face some more, they planned on opening the Mosque on September 11, 2011, the 10th anniversary. But why?

And 10 years later, ground zero is still a pile of rubble? Why? Bush and Obama take turns robbing the treasury for $1 trillion plus, but no one can come up with funding for a monument at ground zero? The only thing we'll have to remember 9-11 by is a mosque down the street?

I wish someone would just go in and outbid the Muslims and buy the damned burlington store and sit on it. I have nothing against Muslims or mosques, but can't you be respectful enough to know that all the hijackers on 9-11 were muslims (radical) and have the decency to build your mosque a little bit farther away from ground zero? Why does it have to be rock throwing distance from the greatest attack on American soil in this great country's 200+ year history?

It is nearly the equivalent of me going to Mecca with suitcases full of cash and building a huge Christian Church right next to where all you guys walk around that big black box or meteorite whatever it is. I'm quite sure the Mecca authorities would disallow it. But in America we'll let Japanese people build statues where they killed our soldiers in Pearl Harbor because we are self-loathing pieces of shit who piss on the graves of our own soldiers.

I'm not too worked up about this either way. As Slim T mentioned, it is quite tasteless to say the least. But there is a lot of tastelessness going around these days.

[food for thought]

i clicked the link just now (didnt click it last night) and saw it was a poll. its funny to see how blatantly racist these people are now towards muslims and they dont even give a fuck

the word is the hijackers were all muslims and now all muslims in america, who some say the number is more than 2 million (american muslims), are doomed to get discriminated against automatically. how american and christ like.

But where is the money and funding for this mosque coming from? For all we know the funding is coming from Osama bin Laden or the same Saudi bastards who orchestrated the whole thing 10 years ago.

it could be but i highly doubt it. like i said there more than 2 million american muslims (shock!!) so maybe like half a dozen of them got together to build it. i think that is more plausible

And just to smack you in the face some more, they planned on opening the Mosque on September 11, 2011, the 10th anniversary. But why?

that sounds ridiculous but i doubt it is true. what if they opened it with fireworks. and jihad music. and dance in the street while burning american flags. fucking sand niggers daaam.


christians were just as responsible for what happened on 9/11, if not more. but most dumb ass americans are too stupid to even know or care.

thats just my opinion.

[Sense-A]

In what manner do you believe Christians to be responsible for the 9-11 attacks? Please explain that point of view a bit more.

I mentioned above that it is a $10M construction project. However, it is actually a $100M+ construction project. It will be 13 stories high. So not exactly "towering" over ground zero.

The new mosque will be 2 blocks away around a corner. So it is not ON GROUND ZERO as many might claim or infer.

I don't think the argument is about whether it is legal or not. Because they purchased the property for $4M and they are legally allowed to build a Mosque if they want to. Only legal issues might be zoning regulations/requirements.

The argument is about common decency in my opinion. And my opinion that peaceful Muslims should have the heart and decency and understanding to realize that a Mosque might be offensive to people still mourning over the jihad attack. There were a few innocent Muslims who died in those towers too though.

Nobody (publicly) seems to know where the $100 million dollars is coming from. No one knows. I've looked all over google and read through articles. Can't find an answer. like i said before, it is a long shot, but for all we know osama bin laden or the very cronies who masterminded the 9-11 attack might be the same ones funding this mosque for all we know.

I believe that America is tolerant of all religions and we are tolerant of Muslims and mosques. But decency comes into play here. Just the chance, the mere slim chance, that any Muslim who was responsible for the 9-11 attacks but not prosecuted or caught will get some enjoyment or sense of conquest out of all this is a little bit bothersome. Didn't a Muslim try blowing up central park just a few weeks ago?

With all my mixed feelings, in conclusion, I think they should just let them build the mosque. There is nothing illegal about it and if someone is so upset about it they should just buy the property back. Maybe they should have bought the property to begin with. Eventually, hopefully, we will have new twin towers that cast permanent shadows over the mosque to represent the perseverance of America.

[food for thought]

In what manner do you believe Christians to be responsible for the 9-11 attacks? Please explain that point of view a bit more.

I mentioned above that it is a $10M construction project. However, it is actually a $100M+ construction project. It will be 13 stories high. So not exactly "towering" over ground zero.

The new mosque will be 2 blocks away around a corner. So it is not ON GROUND ZERO as many might claim or infer.

I don't think the argument is about whether it is legal or not. Because they purchased the property for $4M and they are legally allowed to build a Mosque if they want to. Only legal issues might be zoning regulations/requirements.

The argument is about common decency in my opinion. And my opinion that peaceful Muslims should have the heart and decency and understanding to realize that a Mosque might be offensive to people still mourning over the jihad attack. There were a few innocent Muslims who died in those towers too though.

Nobody (publicly) seems to know where the $100 million dollars is coming from. No one knows. I've looked all over google and read through articles. Can't find an answer. like i said before, it is a long shot, but for all we know osama bin laden or the very cronies who masterminded the 9-11 attack might be the same ones funding this mosque for all we know.

I believe that America is tolerant of all religions and we are tolerant of Muslims and mosques. But decency comes into play here. Just the chance, the mere slim chance, that any Muslim who was responsible for the 9-11 attacks but not prosecuted or caught will get some enjoyment or sense of conquest out of all this is a little bit bothersome. Didn't a Muslim try blowing up central park just a few weeks ago?

With all my mixed feelings, in conclusion, I think they should just let them build the mosque. There is nothing illegal about it and if someone is so upset about it they should just buy the property back. Maybe they should have bought the property to begin with. Eventually, hopefully, we will have new twin towers that cast permanent shadows over the mosque to represent the perseverance of America.

i donot believe the official story that your governments tells us about 9/11. I dont believe a bunch of arabs hated you for your freedom and they planned in a cave how to hijack an airplane and attack the white house and pentagon and the US government had no idea this was going to happen. i dont think that is possible. I dont know the whole story but i know there are alot of inconsistencies with the official story and credible questions that are not answered concerning that day. and dumb ass americans, yes folks!!, dont care or dont know.

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THE DAY ITSELF - EVIDENCE OF COMPLICITY

1) AWOL Chain of Command
a. It is well documented that the officials topping the chain of command for response to a domestic attack - George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Myers, Montague Winfield - all found reason to do something else during the actual attacks, other than assuming their duties as decision-makers.
b. Who was actually in charge? Dick Cheney, Richard Clarke, Norman Mineta and the 9/11 Commission directly conflict in their accounts of top-level response to the unfolding events, such that several (or all) of them must be lying.

2) Air Defense Failures
a. The US air defense system failed to follow standard procedures for responding to diverted passenger flights.
b. Timelines: The various responsible agencies - NORAD, FAA, Pentagon, USAF, as well as the 9/11 Commission - gave radically different explanations for the failure (in some cases upheld for years), such that several officials must have lied; but none were held accountable.
c. Was there an air defense standdown?

3) Pentagon Strike
How was it possible the Pentagon was hit 1 hour and 20 minutes after the attacks began? Why was there no response from Andrews Air Force Base, just 10 miles away and home to Air National Guard units charged with defending the skies above the nation''s capital? How did Hani Hanjour, a man who failed as a Cessna pilot on his first flight in a Boeing, execute a difficult aerobatic maneuver to strike the Pentagon? Why did the attack strike the just-renovated side, which was largely empty and opposite from the high command?

4) Wargames
a. US military and other authorities planned or actually rehearsed defensive response to all elements of the 9/11 scenario during the year prior to the attack - including multiple hijackings, suicide crashbombings, and a strike on the Pentagon.
b. The multiple military wargames planned long in advance and held on the morning of September 11th included scenarios of a domestic air crisis, a plane crashing into a government building, and a large-scale emergency in New York. If this was only an incredible series of coincidences, why did the official investigations avoid the issue? There is evidence that the wargames created confusion as to whether the unfolding events were "real world or exercise." Did wargames serve as the cover for air defense sabotage, and/or the execution of an "inside job"?

What did officials know? How did they know it?
a. Multiple allied foreign agencies informed the US government of a coming attack in detail, including the manner and likely targets of the attack, the name of the operation (the "Big Wedding"), and the names of certain men later identified as being among the perpetrators.
b. Various individuals came into possession of specific advance knowledge, and some of them tried to warn the US prior to September 11th.
c. Certain prominent persons received warnings not to fly on the week or on the day of September 11th.

10) Obstruction of FBI Investigations prior to 9/11
A group of FBI officials in New York systematically suppressed field investigations of potential terrorists that might have uncovered the alleged hijackers - as the Moussaoui case once again showed. The stories of Sibel Edmonds, Robert Wright, Coleen Rowley and Harry Samit, the "Phoenix Memo," David Schippers, the 199i orders restricting investigations, the Bush administration''s order to back off the Bin Ladin family, the reaction to the "Bojinka" plot, and John O''Neil do not, when considered in sum, indicate mere incompetence, but high-level corruption and protection of criminal networks, including the network of the alleged 9/11 conspirators. (Nearly all of these examples were omitted from or relegated to fleeting footnotes in The 9/11 Commission Report.)

11) Insider Trading

a. Unknown speculators allegedly used foreknowledge of the Sept. 11th events to profiteer on many markets internationally - including but not limited to "put options" placed to short-sell the two airlines, WTC tenants, and WTC re-insurance companies in Chicago and London.

b. In addition, suspicious monetary transactions worth hundreds of millions were conducted through offices at the Twin Towers during the actual attacks.

c. Initial reports on these trades were suppressed and forgotten, and only years later did the 9/11 Commission and SEC provide a partial, but untenable explanation for only a small number of transactions (covering only the airline put options through the Chicago Board of Exchange).

12) Who were the perpetrators?

a. Much of the evidence establishing who did the crime is dubious and miraculous: bags full of incriminating material that happened to miss the flight or were left in a van; the "magic passport" of an alleged hijacker, found at Ground Zero; documents found at motels where the alleged perpetrators had stayed days and weeks before 9/11.

b. The identities of the alleged hijackers remain unresolved, there are contradictions in official accounts of their actions and travels, and there is evidence several of them had "doubles," all of which is omitted from official investigations.

c. What happened to initial claims by the government that 50 people involved in the attacks had been identified, including the 19 alleged hijackers, with 10 still at large (suggesting that 20 had been apprehended)? http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...,1825231.story

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?...41221155307646


do you care about any of this info? dont u think it matters? or do you think they are jsut conspiracy theories?

i think theres some christians responsible for some of that shit. dont you?

and why dont the dumb ass americans demand answers for these crucial questions?

nah bro. lets just profile and discriminate against every muslim in the world. casue mohammed atta hated us for our freedom and attacked us from the cave bro. and osama and saddam hussein.

I mentioned above that it is a $10M construction project. However, it is actually a $100M+ construction project. It will be 13 stories high. So not exactly "towering" over ground zero.

The new mosque will be 2 blocks away around a corner. So it is not ON GROUND ZERO as many might claim or infer.

ok i did a little research. yes it apprently is a $100 million project. but its a fucking community center. its not just a mosque. it just happens to have a mosque in it

That decision clears the way for the construction of Park51, a tower of as many as 15 stories that will house a mosque, a 500-seat auditorium, and a pool. Its leaders say it will be modeled on the Y.M.C.A. and Jewish Community Center in Manhattan.

so its not a $100 million mosque. ( i knew that sounded ridiculous) its a $100 million community center. blowing things out of proportion as usual.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
(Free-Press-Release.com) July 13, 2010 --
New York, NY (July 13, 2010) – Soho Properties, in conjunction with New York’s Muslim
communities, are pleased to announce Park51, a world-class community center which will
provide lower Manhattan and the metropolitan region with unique cultural, educational and
recreational opportunities.

“From the very beginning, we’ve wanted this to be a transparent and responsive process,” says
Sharif El-Gamal, CEO of Soho Properties, a private real estate developer in Manhattan. “We
want New Yorkers to know we are building this institution for all of us.”

Park51 intends to establish a friendly, inviting institution that serves all New Yorkers. To improve
outreach, increase programmatic capacity and create synergies with like-minded institutions and
individuals, Cordoba House will serve as a dedicated interfaith center within Park51.

Park51 is New York, an open space for all of us: private moments for peaceful reflection, vibrant
spaces for exciting events, and a commitment to our environment and our common future. A
$100 million investment in the future of our city, Park51 will bring 150 jobs, badly-needed meeting
spaces of all sizes, high-tech learning spaces and a 500-seat auditorium to lower Manhattan.

Following in the footsteps of the YMCA and JCC, Park51 will also offer New Yorkers unparalleled
opportunities to learn about the diverse cultural and artistic heritages of the Muslim American
tapestry. Future facilities will include a mosque space, providing New York’s growing Muslim
population with a communal place to pray and opportunities for engagement with and service to
all.

I believe that America is tolerant of all religions and we are tolerant of Muslims and mosques. But decency comes into play here.

lol bullshit. this thread, the website linked here, amongst other things, proves this to be the opposite.

tolerant my ass. more like racist as fuck.

[TheBoarzHeadBoy]

i donot believe the official story that your governments tells us about 9/11. I dont believe a bunch of arabs hated you for your freedom and they planned in a cave how to hijack an airplane and attack the white house and pentagon and the US government had no idea this was going to happen. i dont think that is possible. I dont know the whole story but i know there are alot of inconsistencies with the official story and credible questions that are not answered concerning that day. and dumb ass americans, yes folks!!, dont care or dont know.





http://www.911truth.org/article.php?...41221155307646


do you care about any of this info? dont u think it matters? or do you think they are jsut conspiracy theories?

i think theres some christians responsible for some of that shit. dont you?

and why dont the dumb ass americans demand answers for these crucial questions?

nah bro. lets just profile and discriminate against every muslim in the world. casue mohammed atta hated us for our freedom and attacked us from the cave bro. and osama and saddam hussein.



ok i did a little research. yes it apprently is a $100 million project. but its a fucking community center. its not just a mosque. it just happens to have a mosque in it



so its not a $100 million mosque. ( i knew that sounded ridiculous) its a $100 million community center. blowing things out of proportion as usual.







lol bullshit. this thread, the website linked here, amongst other things, proves this to be the opposite.

tolerant my ass. more like racist as fuck.

Fair points. It is a community center with a mosque in it. But the point is that doesn't change opinions since Sense A and I were okay with a mosque.

Looking for a conspiracy in 911 is crazy because obviously there was a conspiracy. A group of terrorists with a wide ranging organization throughout the world and a lot of bank role and men pulled off a devastating attack worthy of an entire country planning a sneak attack. Pearl Harbor was the same scenario. A ton of things went wrong which is why the attack happened. Japan didn't get the message through that they were declaring war until afterwards because of an oversight. The whitehouse knew an attack was coming because the Japanese fleet was effectively missing (deployed somewhere) and they knew that Pearl Harbor was on a list of possible targets. However they didn't put everyone on alert because the situation with Japan was fragile and we didn't want to look belligerent while we were constantly being assured Japan didn't want war. Then when the Radar operators saw a bunch of objects on the map that shouldn't be there some idiot on the receiving end said it couldn't possibly be the Japs and that it must be friendlies that he hadn't been briefed on.

Point is it take a lot of slip ups for 3000 Americans to get killed by foreigners. But it happens.

[Professor Poopsnagle]

Yea I'm pretty sure it's allowed and in our First Amendment of the Constitution


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom..._United_States

Agreed

Well, to be honest, it does seem pretty tasteless to me.

Agreed

The chairman of the Cordoba Initiative (the organisation of this project, named after the Mezquita mosque built in Cordoba as a flag of victory over the Romans) Faisal Abdul Sauf has glorified the acts of 9-11 and said he doesn't believe in inter religious dialogue.

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/ground-...inglepage=true

Maybe this article will help people understand why it's called Cordoba House.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyrs_of_C%C3%B3rdoba

[TheBoarzHeadBoy]

Thank you for clearing this up. The word "liberal" used to describe political ideology has changed a lot during the last 200 years in this country. Not only does it mean different things in the USA depending on what era you are discussing, it also has varying definitions in other countries.

My personal generalized hatred of liberals is directed towards the modern followers. far left Demoncrats who I believe are far worse than Republicans. Both parties suck though and have negative effects. Republicans are bad. Demoncrats are even worse. That is my opinion.

I can't speak for TheBoarzHead but I'd like to explain what I think about the socialist conspiracy.

The socialist conspiracy to me is the idea that there are people in power in the world with great international political influence who'd like to establish a world socialist government.

Even though George W Bush and Barack Obama are supposedly 2 separate opposing parties, one could argue that in fact they are not. They are actually quite similar if not nearly the same. Bush almost doubled our country's national debt. But most Republicans are fiscally conservative!! So far Obama is racking up debt as well. Bush implemented the patriot act giving the government broad powers to spy on its own citizens. Demoncrats openly ridiculed the patriot act during their campaigning, but once they won office they extended the Patriot Act. WTF? Bush gets us into two concurrent wars. Demoncrats criticize him and demand that we withdraw. Demoncrats later get elected into office, and what do they do, they prolong the wars and send in more troops. WTF? Both GWB and Obama have been centralizing power. That is making the federal government more powerful that the states. When we founded the Constitution over 200 years ago, our forefathers wanted power distributed and balanced between federal and state, not centralized. So centralization of power is certainly a goal of the "Socialist Conspiracy." This centralization of power will become more and more international. There is immense pressure for the USA to adopt progressive laws and policies of OTHER countries. WHY? We are sovereign, so why are we allowing foreign influences to govern our legislation?

Healthcare reform is certainly a huge example of socialization. Healthcare in America is superb! There wasn't even an emergency to begin with. We also socialized Chevrolet and Chrysler in America, two of the top 3 American automobile manufacturers. They fucked over all the bond holders so they could cater to union workers (a lot of Obama's campaign financing came from unions). What happens when in the future bond holders decide not to invest in companies anymore because the government assists in fucking them over to lose their entire investments? Why should the government have any ownership at all in private companies? You have to be concerned with the conflict of interests. What if government starts legislating in favor of the companies they have a stake in instead of legislating to reflect the democratic will of the people?

I think the general idea behind all of this is to make people more dependent on government. You sure NEEEEED government if they are they ones manufacturing all the cars, when they are the ones lending student loans, when they are the ones lending money for home purchases, when they are the ones lending you money to start up a business, when they are the ones providing your healthcare, when they are the ones providing your job, your housing, your food, etc. etc. Then they can require you to get a license for everything. License to drive. license to fix someone's roof. License to fix your own house. license to serve food. License for this and that and this and that and approval for this and a stamp of approval for that. You'll need a bureaucrat 24/7 to help you fill out all the forms. You'll have to fill out a form to be allowed to use a public restroom.

Similar to this idea of dependency is the creation of a welfare state. You create low-level entitlement programs and welfare programs to keep people low class. It is a method of keeping the bar low for a huge mass of people. You breed laziness and complacency into generation after generation. The lower class will blame rich people when it is actually the government fucking them over. The rich people are getting fucked over too because the lower class allows and even demands that the government persecute the rich more and more to the point that the rich are paying half of their livelihoods to the government. The rich people have no majority so the only choice they are left with is trying to get politicians in their pockets because free enterprise has been thrown out the window. Rich people might just flee the country, taking their businesses with them. Then the government will have to step in and begin providing all the jobs. Everyone will work for the government in some form and fashion. All the rich people fled the country for constantly being the scapegoats. You are left with a whole nation of low class citizenship with no means to start up their own businesses, all of whom beg and demand assistance and help from the big wonderful superhero federal government. They will give federal government more and more and more power because they are desperate for help and think the federal government is the only thing that can save them.

I also believe that there is elitist ownership of our media. Almost every American has a television set, which they watch for hours per day. Almost all the channels are owned by about 6 companies. All the federal and national government news is coming out of one or two sources. All reporting is being filtered through the pentagon. Remember in George Orwell's 1984 he speaks about the "ministry of truth." Well that idea is more fact than fiction. Sure, Fox news might be the one channel that offers a conservative view. Or so we think. Fox news might just be a decoy to offset every other channel that has a clear liberal bias. The news media in this country used to report news story with objectivity. But now every media station is spinning a political take on the news. There is an intention to instill a liberal bias into viewers. Add to that conspiracy the possibility that the liberal socialist conspiracy is even capable of infiltrating its own opposition and posing as their own opposition only to make them publicly discredited. Why argue against your opponent when you can pretend you ARE your opponent and act like an idiot so that your opposing ideology loses all credibility in the public eye? If i hate liberals, I can go to a local liberal protest and hold up a ridiculous racist sign and tell everyone I am a liberal even though I am really a conservative. Get it?

The rabbit hole goes a lot deeper. Personally, I believe that most Americans who claim to be blatant supporters of the Democratic Party really don't know what they are supporting. Democratic leaders try to tell the people what they are supporting, yet they do the opposite sometimes. They try to create some sort of duality between our only two political parties when both political parties might just be doing the same thing. The liberal socialist conspiracy doesn't want you to pay attention to how they are dismantling the Constitution, so they get you addicted to Hollywood celebrities, sports, game shows, pornography, sitcoms, rap music and bitches and rims, etc. Anything as long as you are not paying close attention to what politicians are doing. And just in case you actually are interested in politics, they'll making C-SPAN so boring that anyone trying to watch it falls asleep in less than 5 minutes. haha

I'm sure TheBoarzHead might be able to explain it better since i typed too much already.

The fucked up thing is I was aware and telling people that Bush was a leftist when I was in 8th grade (4 years ago) and no one believed me. They all thought I was an idiot because he was a republican... Here's what happened at some point in the last 100 years the democratic party traditionally the conservative party began introducing "Progressive" ideas. Progressives were the guys who thought that we should kill off the black race by enforced birth control because they were racially inferior monkeys. The Democrats were the party of slavery after all. While there were democrats in the North they were "War Democrats" which were moderates. The South however was wholly democratic. Now these progressives got in with the Unions which were all white workers guilds designed to keep minorities out of the work force and keep the wage artificially high. At this point the Republicans were still a decent party.

Now we turn to the depression. The Depression was a grand fuck up caused by the Republicans. Their mistake was they went too hands off in the wrong areas and pretty much allowed the economy to grow faster then it should and when it reset it reset too hard and everyone freaked their shit. So we get rid of Hoover our second to last true conservative. We put in Roosevelt who essentially began to dissemble the economy in order to save it. Unfortunately while it did have an effect he couldn't stop the problems. Regardless a shit ton of communists got into office under Roosevelt. Yes, communist manifesto reading chest beating Power to the People communists.

Anyhow, we thank god defeat the Nazis and Fascists in Italy (who lets no forget were supposed to be Britain's buffer against Communist expansion and who we backed until the war started.) Then we look at McCarthy who essentially got blacklisted for trying to clean up the government. McCarthy had been a Democrat but he switched parties in 44. The reason of course is rather obvious. At this point the Democratic party is now the party we know today. "Left" leaning communists in disguise. There of course were good elements. I don't think Kennedy was anything short of a great american, but as we all know, Nixon not so much. I think Nixon and the corruption of his administration was the point where the taint of progressivism took first root in the Republican party. I can't really point out any blatant progressive things, but its either here or under Reagan and I think the roots were there before.

Anyhow, by Reagan we're dealing with "Reaganomics" which essentially ran us into the ground. Cut taxes (good) set spending to "Kill the Mother Fucker" and meanwhile we had the biggest fucking scandal in probably US history (Iran Contra) and both parties decided to sleep on it so that we didn't have another Watergate and erode what slight semblance of faith Americans had in their government. Then we got Bush Sr. damn good republican. I like Senior. Smart guy, tried to take us off the course to damnation that Reagan put us on with Voodoo economics. Apparently people blamed Reagans idiocy on Bush. Bush is out. On the plus side we kicked Iraq's ass. Iraq had been our man in the middle east under Reagan, so its only poetic justice that we killed those mother fuckers.

Then we got Clinton. Clinton was a far leftist who realized he wasn't going to get shit by the Right because Newt Gingrich was running shit. Anyhow by now the two parties are in bed behind closed doors politically and its no surprise that Bush gets the election in 2000. It didn't really matter. We had a far left progressive (Al Gore) and a moderate progressive (George Bush.) It wasn't so much that some Illuminati planned this, its just how things worked out. The Democrats were Communists in all but name and the Republicans were Neo conservatives which is just a fancy term for Progressive Republican. I don't think some cat stroking mother fucker orchestrated it, I just think the game got rigged 50 years earlier.

Now we have Obama who was going to "change policy" but has effectively redoubled every effort Bush had. What's happened gentlemen, is our "two party system" has effectively become a one party system. What will happen? The far left will be replaced by the less left. And the Less left will be replaced by the far left. With each new election we do not take one step backwards but creep towards an imagined Goal.



Now, as long as it is done in bits and pieces over many years there will be no white army. The red can infiltrate and build up its power. Obama is a socialist. The next president will be a Republican. Of that I am certain. They will attempt to dial things back a bit. But it won't matter. The left controls the media. The left controls the unions. The left will have a man back in 2016. By then it won't be a little bit by little bit like it is now. There will be blood. I'm not saying there will be a war, but its not going to be pretty. We've gone so far in over our head there's going to be a lot of problems coming out of it. We've got a lot of people who will die to see Communism and that's what it is, in America. We've got a lot of people who would die rather then see their kids grow up under communism. That's a problem. We also have a third and even worse possibility. The people who will try to take advantage of this. These will be fascists. You won't recognize them because no one really knows what fascism looks like. Every thinks Fascism is Far Right, but that's Anarchy (when the only law over you is your own and God's). Fascism is radical moderation. The Fascists will claim to unite left and right in a greater purpose. They'll blame the Blacks and the Mexicans as the Communists. They'll blame the Jews as capitalist pigs.

I'll put it lightly. We'll look back at World War two and laugh. Palehorse will start looking sane. And God help me if I'm gonna let that happen.