Should New York have cleared the way for a mosque to be built near the World Trade Ce
yes why not?
its a fucking place of worship.
i was watching the god Cornel West on real time with bill maher and he said something like " if they can have strip clubs and porn shops right around the block(apparently they really do) then they should be permitted to have a mosque there"
fucking scary ass racist ass people i cant stand teh shit
We do it for the people.
Yea I'm pretty sure it's allowed and in our First Amendment of the Constitution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom..._United_States
Well, to be honest, it does seem pretty tasteless to me.
"The Devil is not the Prince of Matter; the Devil is the arrogance of the spirit, faith without smile, truth that is never seized by doubt. The Devil is grim because he knows where he is going, and, in moving, he always returns whence he came."
it's an old burlington coat factory building. they have great prices. i say go for it...
I do not believe there is anything illegal about it at all.
But where is the money and funding for this mosque coming from? For all we know the funding is coming from Osama bin Laden or the same Saudi bastards who orchestrated the whole thing 10 years ago.
Muslims are known for building monuments at their locations of conquest. This is not going to be your ordinary mosque. It is a $10M+ extravagant mosque being planned. It'll have all the bells and whistles.
And just to smack you in the face some more, they planned on opening the Mosque on September 11, 2011, the 10th anniversary. But why?
And 10 years later, ground zero is still a pile of rubble? Why? Bush and Obama take turns robbing the treasury for $1 trillion plus, but no one can come up with funding for a monument at ground zero? The only thing we'll have to remember 9-11 by is a mosque down the street?
I wish someone would just go in and outbid the Muslims and buy the damned burlington store and sit on it. I have nothing against Muslims or mosques, but can't you be respectful enough to know that all the hijackers on 9-11 were muslims (radical) and have the decency to build your mosque a little bit farther away from ground zero? Why does it have to be rock throwing distance from the greatest attack on American soil in this great country's 200+ year history?
It is nearly the equivalent of me going to Mecca with suitcases full of cash and building a huge Christian Church right next to where all you guys walk around that big black box or meteorite whatever it is. I'm quite sure the Mecca authorities would disallow it. But in America we'll let Japanese people build statues where they killed our soldiers in Pearl Harbor because we are self-loathing pieces of shit who piss on the graves of our own soldiers.
I'm not too worked up about this either way. As Slim T mentioned, it is quite tasteless to say the least. But there is a lot of tastelessness going around these days.
i clicked the link just now (didnt click it last night) and saw it was a poll. its funny to see how blatantly racist these people are now towards muslims and they dont even give a fuck
the word is the hijackers were all muslims and now all muslims in america, who some say the number is more than 2 million (american muslims), are doomed to get discriminated against automatically. how american and christ like.
it could be but i highly doubt it. like i said there more than 2 million american muslims (shock!!) so maybe like half a dozen of them got together to build it. i think that is more plausibleBut where is the money and funding for this mosque coming from? For all we know the funding is coming from Osama bin Laden or the same Saudi bastards who orchestrated the whole thing 10 years ago.
that sounds ridiculous but i doubt it is true. what if they opened it with fireworks. and jihad music. and dance in the street while burning american flags. fucking sand niggers daaam.And just to smack you in the face some more, they planned on opening the Mosque on September 11, 2011, the 10th anniversary. But why?
christians were just as responsible for what happened on 9/11, if not more. but most dumb ass americans are too stupid to even know or care.
thats just my opinion.
We do it for the people.
In what manner do you believe Christians to be responsible for the 9-11 attacks? Please explain that point of view a bit more.
I mentioned above that it is a $10M construction project. However, it is actually a $100M+ construction project. It will be 13 stories high. So not exactly "towering" over ground zero.
The new mosque will be 2 blocks away around a corner. So it is not ON GROUND ZERO as many might claim or infer.
I don't think the argument is about whether it is legal or not. Because they purchased the property for $4M and they are legally allowed to build a Mosque if they want to. Only legal issues might be zoning regulations/requirements.
The argument is about common decency in my opinion. And my opinion that peaceful Muslims should have the heart and decency and understanding to realize that a Mosque might be offensive to people still mourning over the jihad attack. There were a few innocent Muslims who died in those towers too though.
Nobody (publicly) seems to know where the $100 million dollars is coming from. No one knows. I've looked all over google and read through articles. Can't find an answer. like i said before, it is a long shot, but for all we know osama bin laden or the very cronies who masterminded the 9-11 attack might be the same ones funding this mosque for all we know.
I believe that America is tolerant of all religions and we are tolerant of Muslims and mosques. But decency comes into play here. Just the chance, the mere slim chance, that any Muslim who was responsible for the 9-11 attacks but not prosecuted or caught will get some enjoyment or sense of conquest out of all this is a little bit bothersome. Didn't a Muslim try blowing up central park just a few weeks ago?
With all my mixed feelings, in conclusion, I think they should just let them build the mosque. There is nothing illegal about it and if someone is so upset about it they should just buy the property back. Maybe they should have bought the property to begin with. Eventually, hopefully, we will have new twin towers that cast permanent shadows over the mosque to represent the perseverance of America.
anti Islamic undertones coming from the aritcle and sense-a
I'm all for letting them put a mosque in the new tower if they felt the need. This is America the right to worship God anywhere you like is Rule of Law. If they blocked this I'd be pissed off. As soon as they start trying to curb my rights through legislation I'm gonna curb stomp somebody in Congress. Islam isn't responsible for 911. Criminals were. Murderers were. Muslims? Naw. In the same way that the Crusades don't reflect on modern day Christians, 911 is not the fault of Muslims in any way.
Sarah Palin is the worst thing that could happen to the moderate-conservative majority. We should be getting pissed at the Democrats and then we look the other side and they're shoving their heads up their ass because they've been hijacked by a disgusting mix of far right nut jobs and progressives and completely tainted their Liberal Reformist roots.
There is no alternative. I'm either voting for Karl Marx in Blackface (Obama) or Simon Legree in a skirt (Sarah Palin). Hurrah for a two party system! The Tea Partys are a bunch of average joes belligerently trying to destabilize the country and the leftists are conspiratorially trying to destroy them which is only fanning the flames. And there are still no fiscally conservative social liberals (moderates) who I can rally behind.
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Oh please. You regurgitate an auto-response to the one opinion that isn't status quo.
What about the guy who posted above me who came out of no where and blames 9-11 on Christians? Evidence? Proof for those allegations? What about the comment "dumbass Americans." No undertones there?
I have a lot more in common with American Muslims than I do with Atheist White Liberals. I actually consider Muslims allies in the secularist onslaught against religion in this country. I have never opposed or complained about any of the thousands of mosques in this country ever!!
Asking where the hell $100 million is coming from seems like a reasonable question that doesn't seem to concern anyone else. Most of you still think George W Bush knocked down the towers so why am I even arguing?
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I don't want terrorists tainting a place of worship for a religion that's just trying to get its shit together after years of bad publicity. However I would only want an investigation of funding if that was the same procedure for a church. (Which I doubt.)
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Good post as always.
Personally I believe that the Tea Party ruined themselves by not denouncing the Republican GOP from the get-go. Allowing themselves to be swallowed by the GOP and allowing GOP candidates to ride the coattails of the Tea Party movement was a huge fucking mistake. At this point i think any third or fourth party in this country would be an advantage whether i agreed with them or not. At least i'd have an extra choice on the ballot.
The only issues with me are whether or not there are any zoning regulations against a religious institution on that street and whether or not the funding is laundered money from terrorist sects or anyone with any financial ties to terrorist segments in the middle east. $100 million doesn't just fall out of the sky. Would they have allowed a Christian Church at that location? If yes, then of course any other religious building should be allowed.
Sarah Palin is not that bad. I don't understand why the liberal media is so fascinated with her. I think the liberals follow her around more than any conservatives do. You do notice that every news media outlet with the exception of FOX has a very partial liberal bias. Therefore they'll portray conservatives how they want to portray conservatives - as radical and extremist as possible.
Overall i don't think another mosque in NYC is going to effect my life at all whether they build it or not. i'm just kicking the can down the street.
hahah these creatures do not exist.
I am definitely not social liberal. I do not believe that the government should interfere with citizens' lives as much as social liberals do. too many social services and control over economic policy is more harmful than it is helpful in the long run. Merely my opinion of course.
I guess I am probably more libertarian than I like to admit.
I like to think that American Liberalism is not a political ideology so much as it is a mental disorder.
i donot believe the official story that your governments tells us about 9/11. I dont believe a bunch of arabs hated you for your freedom and they planned in a cave how to hijack an airplane and attack the white house and pentagon and the US government had no idea this was going to happen. i dont think that is possible. I dont know the whole story but i know there are alot of inconsistencies with the official story and credible questions that are not answered concerning that day. and dumb ass americans, yes folks!!, dont care or dont know.
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THE DAY ITSELF - EVIDENCE OF COMPLICITY
1) AWOL Chain of Command
a. It is well documented that the officials topping the chain of command for response to a domestic attack - George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Myers, Montague Winfield - all found reason to do something else during the actual attacks, other than assuming their duties as decision-makers.
b. Who was actually in charge? Dick Cheney, Richard Clarke, Norman Mineta and the 9/11 Commission directly conflict in their accounts of top-level response to the unfolding events, such that several (or all) of them must be lying.
2) Air Defense Failures
a. The US air defense system failed to follow standard procedures for responding to diverted passenger flights.
b. Timelines: The various responsible agencies - NORAD, FAA, Pentagon, USAF, as well as the 9/11 Commission - gave radically different explanations for the failure (in some cases upheld for years), such that several officials must have lied; but none were held accountable.
c. Was there an air defense standdown?
3) Pentagon Strike
How was it possible the Pentagon was hit 1 hour and 20 minutes after the attacks began? Why was there no response from Andrews Air Force Base, just 10 miles away and home to Air National Guard units charged with defending the skies above the nation''s capital? How did Hani Hanjour, a man who failed as a Cessna pilot on his first flight in a Boeing, execute a difficult aerobatic maneuver to strike the Pentagon? Why did the attack strike the just-renovated side, which was largely empty and opposite from the high command?
4) Wargames
a. US military and other authorities planned or actually rehearsed defensive response to all elements of the 9/11 scenario during the year prior to the attack - including multiple hijackings, suicide crashbombings, and a strike on the Pentagon.
b. The multiple military wargames planned long in advance and held on the morning of September 11th included scenarios of a domestic air crisis, a plane crashing into a government building, and a large-scale emergency in New York. If this was only an incredible series of coincidences, why did the official investigations avoid the issue? There is evidence that the wargames created confusion as to whether the unfolding events were "real world or exercise." Did wargames serve as the cover for air defense sabotage, and/or the execution of an "inside job"?
What did officials know? How did they know it?
a. Multiple allied foreign agencies informed the US government of a coming attack in detail, including the manner and likely targets of the attack, the name of the operation (the "Big Wedding"), and the names of certain men later identified as being among the perpetrators.
b. Various individuals came into possession of specific advance knowledge, and some of them tried to warn the US prior to September 11th.
c. Certain prominent persons received warnings not to fly on the week or on the day of September 11th.
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?...4122115530764610) Obstruction of FBI Investigations prior to 9/11
A group of FBI officials in New York systematically suppressed field investigations of potential terrorists that might have uncovered the alleged hijackers - as the Moussaoui case once again showed. The stories of Sibel Edmonds, Robert Wright, Coleen Rowley and Harry Samit, the "Phoenix Memo," David Schippers, the 199i orders restricting investigations, the Bush administration''s order to back off the Bin Ladin family, the reaction to the "Bojinka" plot, and John O''Neil do not, when considered in sum, indicate mere incompetence, but high-level corruption and protection of criminal networks, including the network of the alleged 9/11 conspirators. (Nearly all of these examples were omitted from or relegated to fleeting footnotes in The 9/11 Commission Report.)
11) Insider Trading
a. Unknown speculators allegedly used foreknowledge of the Sept. 11th events to profiteer on many markets internationally - including but not limited to "put options" placed to short-sell the two airlines, WTC tenants, and WTC re-insurance companies in Chicago and London.
b. In addition, suspicious monetary transactions worth hundreds of millions were conducted through offices at the Twin Towers during the actual attacks.
c. Initial reports on these trades were suppressed and forgotten, and only years later did the 9/11 Commission and SEC provide a partial, but untenable explanation for only a small number of transactions (covering only the airline put options through the Chicago Board of Exchange).
12) Who were the perpetrators?
a. Much of the evidence establishing who did the crime is dubious and miraculous: bags full of incriminating material that happened to miss the flight or were left in a van; the "magic passport" of an alleged hijacker, found at Ground Zero; documents found at motels where the alleged perpetrators had stayed days and weeks before 9/11.
b. The identities of the alleged hijackers remain unresolved, there are contradictions in official accounts of their actions and travels, and there is evidence several of them had "doubles," all of which is omitted from official investigations.
c. What happened to initial claims by the government that 50 people involved in the attacks had been identified, including the 19 alleged hijackers, with 10 still at large (suggesting that 20 had been apprehended)? http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...,1825231.story
do you care about any of this info? dont u think it matters? or do you think they are jsut conspiracy theories?
i think theres some christians responsible for some of that shit. dont you?
and why dont the dumb ass americans demand answers for these crucial questions?
nah bro. lets just profile and discriminate against every muslim in the world. casue mohammed atta hated us for our freedom and attacked us from the cave bro. and osama and saddam hussein.
ok i did a little research. yes it apprently is a $100 million project. but its a fucking community center. its not just a mosque. it just happens to have a mosque in itI mentioned above that it is a $10M construction project. However, it is actually a $100M+ construction project. It will be 13 stories high. So not exactly "towering" over ground zero.
The new mosque will be 2 blocks away around a corner. So it is not ON GROUND ZERO as many might claim or infer.
so its not a $100 million mosque. ( i knew that sounded ridiculous) its a $100 million community center. blowing things out of proportion as usual.That decision clears the way for the construction of Park51, a tower of as many as 15 stories that will house a mosque, a 500-seat auditorium, and a pool. Its leaders say it will be modeled on the Y.M.C.A. and Jewish Community Center in Manhattan.
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
(Free-Press-Release.com) July 13, 2010 --
New York, NY (July 13, 2010) – Soho Properties, in conjunction with New York’s Muslim
communities, are pleased to announce Park51, a world-class community center which will
provide lower Manhattan and the metropolitan region with unique cultural, educational and
recreational opportunities.
“From the very beginning, we’ve wanted this to be a transparent and responsive process,” says
Sharif El-Gamal, CEO of Soho Properties, a private real estate developer in Manhattan. “We
want New Yorkers to know we are building this institution for all of us.”
Park51 intends to establish a friendly, inviting institution that serves all New Yorkers. To improve
outreach, increase programmatic capacity and create synergies with like-minded institutions and
individuals, Cordoba House will serve as a dedicated interfaith center within Park51.
Park51 is New York, an open space for all of us: private moments for peaceful reflection, vibrant
spaces for exciting events, and a commitment to our environment and our common future. A
$100 million investment in the future of our city, Park51 will bring 150 jobs, badly-needed meeting
spaces of all sizes, high-tech learning spaces and a 500-seat auditorium to lower Manhattan.
Following in the footsteps of the YMCA and JCC, Park51 will also offer New Yorkers unparalleled
opportunities to learn about the diverse cultural and artistic heritages of the Muslim American
tapestry. Future facilities will include a mosque space, providing New York’s growing Muslim
population with a communal place to pray and opportunities for engagement with and service to
all.
lol bullshit. this thread, the website linked here, amongst other things, proves this to be the opposite.I believe that America is tolerant of all religions and we are tolerant of Muslims and mosques. But decency comes into play here.
tolerant my ass. more like racist as fuck.
We do it for the people.
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