Quote Originally Posted by WUnded Fox View Post
we were dropped here by aliens.
the bible says it right there in genesis.
the sumerians and every other culture on earth will tell you this to be true.

anyway... boarz isn't even old enough to drive and has been old enough to work for less than a year. why are you arguing with him? i got kids older than him. damn.
Fox, when you can translate Sumerian cuneiform on your own, tell me about it. Until then it's just modern day mythology. Were that the case, we weren't dropped here, we are genetically enhanced versions of cavemen who were already here.

And I'm almost 18. Which is young, but not unlearned. I'd be middle aged in Africa.

Quote Originally Posted by power to the people View Post
I had suspected that you were not actually human, but an invertebrate that had somehow managed to learn English, learn to handle a computer, and find WuTang-Corp. Now I know for sure that you're spineless.

You lay your trust in a class of people whose economic gains are not yours or mine, but their own. A class that expropriate profits to themselves while socializing the losses through taxpayer bailouts. Their profits are inherently our losses for the very reason that the value they extract is stolen from our labour as workers. We as workers, through our compliance, have them exploit us with the very means of production (factory, machines) that we built ourselves.

Today, companies overproduce clothing and tear it to shreds if it won't sell; we have grain companies that dump inventory into the ocean so as to not give away or give cheaply; we have bookstores that set books ablaze so as to not drive the price of their own profits down. The rich overproduce and destroy while the poor, who couldn't have helped being born into a poor family, see nothing from this system of commodity overproduction.

In America, the top 1% wealthiest own more capital than the bottom 95% combined. The top 1% also own more than 44% of all American assets. How many do you think earned the position through their own work and how many were born into it? They were all born into it. Just as the poor and homeless you see today were born into their economic position - except they outnumber the rich a million to one.

So with such disproportionality in this system of "equal playing field", how does one justify capitalistic inheritance of wealth/poverty? The market, as it stands, is fully in the favour and affixed to the benefit of only the same bourgeois lines that have been in existance for centuries. Many of these lines existed even times of feudalism, people whose ancestors were born into an aristocratic family of titled land owners granted feudal privileges by the monarch.

But supposedly capitalism provides and equal playing field of competition? It doesn't; it provides a more "legitimized" and economic platform for the same ruling lines that had existed to perpetuate its dominance on the rest of the population as they have been doing ever since the split of society into classes.

However, in the linear progression of man, capitalism is beautiful. It involved billion(s) more into the labour process, it abolished absolutist/feudal systems of governance. It, at least on paper, claims to provide us with equal right under law (or "under god") and thus in its introduction of competitive capitalism came to Europe and other countries (where it was not directly forced) as a liberator of nations.

Capitalism in its original form doesn't exist here anymore, however. Capitalism once advocated and practiced competition between producing forces. However competition can only exist for so long before it is replaced by monopoly.

Capitalism has been replaced by monopoly capitalism/imperialism since. Where competition once existed, it has been replaced my monopoly (monopoly and state also collaborate on many disgustingly profitable industries such as the military industrial complex and the prison industrial complex). We no longer have competing industries; hell, Coke and Pepsi are managed by the same bank, and they both receive funding for the fall of either one is equally unprofitable to the bank directors which run both. Furthermore, we have politicians, members of government and board directors who are tied to shady practices here and abroad (Iran-Contra scandal, immunity for cocaine distributors in ghetto communities).

Their position can not be overthrown through the system - they've already secured their position all finances continue to circulate back to them as they have their hands in not one industry, but just about every important one.

The only way is to overthrow our own subjugation is to overthrow them from the pinnacle of their hierarchy and make them equals. Remove their amassed wealth and give it back to the people they exploited it from. We abolish class oppression by abolishing classes.

The ideology of Marxism shows us that communism is not something that can be brought immediately after capitalism. Rather, an interim state must exist as a segue between the two. This segue we call socialism, where the means of production are entrusted by the state of democratically elected officials who then create a centrally planned economy where matters of housing, economy, wealth distribution and employment can become fully sustainable.

Once international revolution has defeated international capitalism, this is when we can begin to see the negation of socialist forces of production and a communist revolution may come to take its place.

That is not to say that communism is a form of utopia. There are internal contradictions which will exist, surely, and which may/will even come to negate communism. However I say all this optimistically for it is a long line in the progression of humankind.

Sense-A, you are downright silly if you think capitalism is the end of human beings. Many more systems have come only to be swept into the dustbin of history by a more advanced system of production which overwhelmed it with larger relation/productivity to labour. Capitalism will also come to meet the dustbin, don't be surprised. Definitely not in our lifetime, but we are seeing a lot of the precursors.

All power to the people.

(PS: You name Castro and Stalin when you speak of communism? Please. You should know by now no communist believes in any dictatorship but that of the entire proletariat)
I don't think you have a clue what you're talking about. You say that "Capitalism was beautiful until it became a monopoly." I'm pretty sure there aren't monopolies in America. There are oligopolistic markets, like the Automotive Industry, where the start up costs are so great that it's very difficult to finance a new automotive company and most of the money and product is within a handful of companies. However, they aren't stopping you, they just aren't going to hand it to you.

Then you name drop the Iran Contra scandal, which has no bearing on Capitalism at all. Communists would do the same thing. Are you telling me the Soviets didn't sell guns to China and North Korea? That the Chinese became so enslaved to Stalin's authority that all he had to do was say "You will invade" and they commit a million men to the Korean peninsula and turn what would have been a quick liberation into a several year long trench war? The Chinese lost 150,000 men killed and almost 400,000 wounded because Stalin said jump. That's how communism works. Communism is the destruction of Individualism. One man can set in motion everything, because no one can speak against them.

You act like it's immoral for some people to have more then others when they worked for it or inherited it. This is what would happen with wealth distribution:

The rich are killed and their goods are divided equally among the poor.
The poor are no longer poor. Much rejoicing.
Some people manage to accumulate great wealth.
They are the new evil rich.
The rich are killed and their goods are divided equally among the poor.
The poor are no longer poor. Much rejoicing...

Why can't you just struggle to the top? Or play the dice right? Why should the rich give you something they deserve and you don't yet?