especially

when people name the best all time 'producers who also MC'

Makes me laugh when people mention guys like Diamond D, JayDee, Madlib, very average rappers that are no where near Tip on the mic

Q tip handled all the production on the first 3 ATCQ abums (apart from a couple of tracks)

and att the same time introduced a fresh sttyle of rap with tribe, in terms of subject matter, Tribe were untouchable when it came to that

when you talk about producers who MC, in terms of whose the best, just BEING a prodcuer who raps isnt enough

1. RZA
2. Q Tip
3. Kanye

I'd then scatter guys like MF DOOM, DJ Quik, Pimp C, Dre and Andre 3k in there behind.


This is in terms of producers who are elite on the mic (at least at their peaks). RZA used to be one of the best MC's in the clan, obviously hes awful these days, but his verses on Forever, 6 feet deep, and 36 chambers easily elevate him above anything the likes of Diamond D could or has ever pulled out. Kanye is one their because he defintiely brought a new style of personal rap really out there, and his flow has been copied alot since he came out.


These are 3 ELITE producers who are also in their time ELITE mc's, not elite producers who are also decent mc's. Dont you dare say "pete rock".


Not forgetting Tip's work on Illmatic, The Infamous, his production work with the Ummah, Tip is easily the 2nd greatest and most influential rapper/producer in hip hop.