Also, beautiful, I'm curious about this "crescent moon isn't a symbol of Islam" thing. It's not?
Also, beautiful, I'm curious about this "crescent moon isn't a symbol of Islam" thing. It's not?
No, Islam doesn't believe in symbols, that's a masonic thing. That symbol was ripped from the Turkish flag and branded on them for the sake of our people.
This combination is seen in the flag of Turkey. There are many imitators, but they are just that... Due to the 1,000 year fight of Muslim Turk and Christian Europe, the symbols have come to be mistakingly representative of Islam by Europeans and now the world. The Crescent Moon and Star (Sun during the Ottoman Empire) are ancient Turkish celestial symbols of power originating from the Turkish, ancestoral lands of Siberia and Central Asia. Its origins are not Arabic or Persian and it can not be Islamic due to the strict, religious doctrines forbiding the usage of any symbols or the painting/drawing/sclupting of human faces... these very important religious facts are disregarded today by those trying to claim the Moon & Star as their own today.
Needless to say, the origins of the Crescent & Sun/star are in fact Turkish from ancient times, pre-Islamic. The Turks believed in Shamanisim and more importantly the one supreme Sky God (Tanri) along side others gods like that of the Moon & Sun, when they roamed nomadicaly on horseback in the steppes of Siberia & central Asia.
In the 10th century, the Turks accepted Islam on their own will and conquered the Middle East. Witin a few centuries, the Turks became extremely powerful and strected an empire from the gates of Vienna, Austria, Russia all the way to Spain in the west. They brought into Islam their own free spirit, dynamizm, Turkish culture, superstitions and serious beliefs as well. This is the origin of how the Crescent Moon & Star came into the Islamic world.
The importance of the celestial bodies can be seen in many Turk epics, poems, songs, names etc... One quick example is that of the legendary leader of the Western Turks, Oguz Khan, named his first 3 born Sun, Moon, & Star emphasizing the importance of the celestial objects to Turks. The founder of the Ottoman Turkish empire, Osman, had a dream in which he invisioned a Crescent Moon stretching over the Earth, he took it as a good sign and made it the symbol of his dynasty. Where ever a Turkish army met with a Euro-Christian one, of course it would be seen that the Turks used a Moon and Europeans assumed that this was the symbol of Islam used by muslim people. [this was wrong of course, as I said no symbols are allowed, but Turks quite often incorporated their own beliefs and free spirit regarding the religion]
So, over the 1,000 year fight of Muslim Turk and Christian Europe, the symbols have come to be mistakingly representative of Islam by Europeans and now the world. The Crescent Moon and Star are ancient Turkish celestial symbols of power originating from the Turkish, ancestoral lands of Siberia and Central Asia. You see for a 1000 years Turks were the warriors, the leaders of Islam so it is not unusual that our symbols have been adopted by many present-day countries that are by a majority Muslim. But it doesn't mean that the symbols are Islamic or Muslim. Unfortunately, this confusion will most likely never be cleared up. It is very deep in the minds of the world, even the Muslim world.
Interesting note: The representative color of all Turks in the world is Skyblue or Turquiose, but we have also ascribed color to the four cardinal directions (North=Black, East=SkyBlue, South=White, & West=Red). Therefore, the Red background is used to indicate that we are the most geographically western of our family. (Over time and among the folk, the color has also come to represent the Turkish blood shed over the centuries of warfare.)
grab an almanac and look at the flags of all the countries. they are all pretty similiar. sun moon and star symbols, the same colors. it is masonic and has much deeper origins
Originally Posted by CharlesJones
al qaeda? real? where??!?! evidence? documents? stories? news articles?
Gigantic thanks for this. For some reason I can't give rep, but you'd get some if I could.
BBC says Al Qaeda doesn't exist.
AMASSO.org says Al Qaeda doesn't exist
Peace palehorse. Did you see that movie 'pie'?? Shit looks really interesting. I was thinking about renting it.
the organization is real, there was a time where they did exist as a tight knit well organised fundamentalist group hell bent on waging war against the west, now they have basically become a loosely connect group and an ideology for others who are looking to carry out extremist operations, yeah sure they still function as a group in some capacity and do help people who share the ideology proabably finacially,and with training, but as far as a central organisation controlling every militant group who exists in the world today and directing them in what to do , is just alot of b.sand good properganda for the west to carry out there hidden agenda`s in the guise of freedom.
peace be with you !
Last edited by zooruka; 11-01-2009 at 09:14 PM.
p.s. The sun revolves around the earththe organization is real, there was a time where they did exist as a tight knit well organised fundamentalist group hell bent on waging war against the west, now they have basically become a loosely connect group and an ideology for others who are looking to carry out extremist operations, yeah sure they still function as a group in some capacity and do help people who share the ideology proabably finacially,and with training, but as far as a central organisation controlling every militant group who exists in the world today and directing them in what to do , is just alot of b.s
peace be with you !
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