^Visonz knows his shit. Wish I could rep you right now.
Its intresting you bring this up..because Im currently in the process of debating this very fact with the church...In church doctrine they say that Jesus is eternally generated by the father wich means that Jesus comes out from the father and recieves his divine attributes and divinity only because he comes out from the father and the father is continually sustaing the generation of Jesus and his divinity..... kinda like how a lake of water sustains a stream running out of it..and then people say so Jesus was created and they say no !!!! because the father is eternal, then when he generates Jesus or brings Jesus out of himself... that is eternal and has had no begining, because he (the father) has no begining so therefore Jesus has always been with him, in eternity and was just brought out.
Now I don`t believe this to be true and disagree with what the church is teaching... but don`t ask me to explain.
It`s so complicated it leaves your head hurting, mostly because nobody can give me a straight answer or definition of eternal generation.
But I want to stress that me disagreeing with the church in no way diminishes the fact that Jesus is God I just believe the church`s understanding of the trinity is wrong !!!!!
Peace be with you !
Last edited by zooruka; 12-31-2009 at 01:24 AM.
hell seems like a scary place. i wouldn't want to go there. it would be crazy, in a scary way .
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they give you a definition and a description of events taking place that have no basis in scripture whatsoever and yet you fail to see how the trinity is an invention of the church.
It hurts your head because the truth is unsettling when it reveals a lie that you had believed in so whole-heartedly. Jesus not being God in no way diminishes his message. Universal love and respect represents the highest level of human understanding and is extremely important. It is in that mold that people should aim to carry themselves regardless of the journey and path you're on. It doesn't matter to me that Jesus wasn't God, the message itself is still Godly.
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Yo zoo, what you think of this theory.. Jesus is not God's son or whatever the Bible says.. He was the first spirit in Heaven to be able to reincarnate himself into a human Soul and remember what it takes to get there.. But the memories were never complete.. Just metaphors to reach Heaven.
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Jesus Christ is God kid not some spirit ...all spirit`s except the holy spirit was or would be created by God...and Jesus wasn`t created !!!!
Also what Jesus spat was not some incomplete memory that just came out in parables he knew what he was saying and that was what God the father instructed him to say.
peace be with you !
Last edited by zooruka; 12-31-2009 at 02:49 AM.
A son comes forth from the father. You can come up with convoluted explanations all you want but we both know it'd take an equally convoluted interpretation of scripture to find any basis for what you're stating in the Bible itself.
God is the source of all creation icluding Jesus himself. That fact shouldn't bother nearly as much as I assuume it does.
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same god, different prophets.
also, who are you to judge?
both religious factions killed hundred of each other during the crusades.
however, one tries to justify this while the other does it in hypocrisy.
"though shalt not kill....... unless of course they pray to a different invisible man in the sky then you do." (R.I.P. George Carlin)
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