Fair enough.Originally Posted by Sean Bateman
I'm basing my viewpoint on reason also, reason and expierence.
What do you personally believe in regards to some form of existence after the death of the body?
Fair enough.
I'm basing my viewpoint on reason also, reason and expierence.
What do you personally believe in regards to some form of existence after the death of the body?
Bank heist in Kathmandu, it was a slaughter
The day Buddha was born it rained tea instead of water
Consciousness cannot change or be changed...
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This is preposterously untrue, even in life as we know it. Do you think that sleep and dreaming isn't a change in consciousness or something? What about drunkenness, drug high, or hallucinations?
^ No. They are changes in the vehicle through which the Consciousness perceives "things".
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Ever been knocked out?
Your brain is still functioning, but there is complete nothingness.
Well, if there's nothingness simply when your brain experiences trauma, what happens when the brain experiences fatal trauma and stops functioning completely? Unending nothingness.
So no, i don't think they is some kind of ethereal continuation after death. As i said before, everything we think or feel is the result of physical processes. Extinguishing brain power extinguishes these processes.
haha, you say this as if it were an unfuckwittable fact or something.
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...everyone on this forum states their opinion as if it were an "unfuckwittable fact". I was unaware I had to write IMO before everything I wrote.
Also, I can explain my statement in more depth to make it unfuckwittable if you'd like.
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yup.
the brain is no different than the heart or lungs. it's function serves the purpose of the host entity to remain in this dimension.
scientists DO believe in places like heaven and hell and nirvana, they call them parallel unverses and invisible dimensions.
spent the most money ever just to make the LHC. the LHC was supposed to find all these "fairy tale" particles and energies. and try to prove that, at one time, everything we know all fit on the point of a pin.
in 2010 we can only detect 4% of our universe. the other 96% is unknown. these are the same folks who tell you God and the soul can't exist cause they can't see it.
dark energy may be the soul, dark matter may be God.
It is been known for people to dream in a coma and experience some form of awareness, even though it's medically identical to unconciousness, very little brain activity.
This is because a coma is a longer period then being knocked out, which is the bodies way of dealing with the trauma, your not "out" long enough to build up an awareness, death is the longest of the three so judging by that logic you will have flickers of awarness also, in whatever form that may be.
This is all speculation obviously,only death will only yield the true facts.
Bank heist in Kathmandu, it was a slaughter
The day Buddha was born it rained tea instead of water
Has your brain ceased to function? Then how do you know consciousness stops there?
Last edited by Slippy The Pimp; 03-12-2010 at 12:27 PM.
I have hope, but not belief.
Death, by medical definition, is when the brain ceases to function completely. As he and I have been trying to argue, consciousness is not an independent entity from the brain. Your consciousness it made up of a complex interaction of brain structures, chemical reactions, and electrical signals. When all that stops, there is not more consciousness. When the brain becomes damaged or starts to decay after death, those structures are no more.
What you are imagining is that the brain is like the control panel or driver's seat of some vehicle and when the body dies, the consciousness just jumps out and goes on its merry way. I'm trying to tell you that the consciousness is like a film projection or audio recording. You damage the source material, you irreparably damage the image/audio. You destroy the source material, you destroy the entire image/audio. Same thing with consciousness and the brain.
Your saying you know more about consciousness then scientists? even respected neurologists and cognitive scientist specialists are puzzled by the very concept of consciousness, even the definition of the word.
Saying it is "complex electrical signals and nerve endings" means nothing, scientists have not found a lobe where consciousness is active or the original source of it, not like emotion and reasoning, which are located in specific lobes of the brain, consciousness has none, it is an enigma, a mystery.
Bank heist in Kathmandu, it was a slaughter
The day Buddha was born it rained tea instead of water
I'm not even debating the medical definition or what your saying about damaging "the source material." Damaged or not, consciousness continues, the level of that consciousness depends on your state of mind at the time of death.
Nobody can prove or disprove any of it. Not until we're all dead.
There are plenty of scientists that would disagree with you. I'm only basing my opinion on what I've read in scientific articles about the brain. The first mistake you make is thinking that everything has to come from a specific place in the brain. Even though certain structures in the brain are identified in playing a role in reasoning and emotion, they aren't discreet locations. Emotion and reasoning are distributed through various interworking parts of the brain. Consciousness isn't a separate entity from this, it's just a product of the working brain. You damage the material that makes up consciousness, and you damage consciousness.
your memories aren't stored in any particular part of the brain and they don't even know how the storage mechanism works.
during the thought process, there is an initiating force that is acted upon the nervous system. you have to "want" to recall a memory. the brain processes and stores data like a computer. the data is retrieved and the "user" enters a simulation based on the data collected by the senses.
the user is the individual soul which at the same time is like a little stream fed by a river because all consciousness is one entity. this one entity is trying to experience "being". against impossible odds and through a relatively short process, created a human body that is best suited to experience reality on multiple dimensions simultaneously.
even science is beginning to think that what we call "mind" , simultaneously exists in another dimension on some quantum shit.
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