Ahahaha true. I remember an interview in 1998 for the release of bobby in stereo. He wore this goofy mask and he said he's a genius, he study chemistry with a microscope and he will discover some vaccines to help mankind. I was like "WTF is wrong with rza". I understood with time that rza gone megalomaniac after forever.Originally Posted by TSA
I think you missed my point. My point was that RZA has always done leftfield shit, hes not going to stop doing it now but you might stop liking the directions it takes him. I don't like a lot of it myself but every now and then I do.
Pharrell is not comparable, hes an R&B producer who used the same formula on every record for years, and very rarely did anything unconvential. Maybe NERD, but a lot of their output is hit and miss.
I understand that and frankly that's why I respect him, but there's nothing left field about trying very hard to be a Russell Crowes bitch wrangler in music and life. There's nothing left field about ABT or 8 diagrams. There's also nothing left field about this particular album.
I get the you guys like him but in liking him you're trying to say that there has been some type of creative par between Only Built for Cuban Linx and Digi Snacks. That he has evolved or is being more inventive or creative.
How is Pharrell an RNB producer? You can not like his work but he's actually left field and actually brings new ideas to the table. He scores actual movies and enters different genres effortlessly without insulting or abandoning hip hop as a whole. Every excuse RZA's fans have for his dillusions are actual factors in Pharrells life, more so than RZA. Still nobody is complaining about Pharrell making bad music.
His evolved Banks and Steel project was trash and the evolved audience he made it for also shit on it universally. RZA fell off and I'd at this point a liability. Dude said ABT is what people 'need' not what they 'want'. And who the fuck are you to tell pPl what they need? lol
Dude has lost it. He's thinks Paul Banks aND him are an interesting pair of musical equals, campaigns for Hilary, thinks Russell crowe is about to make him famous, and is all lives matter all while making soundtracks for this detachment
Rza is a music's adventurer ! He has always wanted to go further and create new shits. Rae said that Rza lost his ears... I don't think so, he wants something fresh. Nowadays, he wants to please his new friends from Hellywood and all this rotten world. He wants to be acknowledged as a great artist.
There is no arguing about matters of taste ! According to me Pharrell sucks ! I don't like his shit at all. Hip hop is dead. Wu was my favourite hip hop band but they have fallen off. All this era sucks ! I am a man of the 20th century and I hate the noise they call music today.
Pharrell is an R&B producer based on the fact that he produces a lot more R&B than Rap. Even a lot of his rap beats are R&B sounding. Hes dope but the last 10 years he hasn't done much that I liked especially now Clipse is done. I liked more RZA shit in the last 10 years than Pharrell shit.
I think 8 Diagrams was real leftfield and underrated and ABT had some moments but thats another discussion. If you don't like anything he does now, it'll probably only get worse as he does more weird shit that nobody is asking for lol.
this is only tangentially related to the last few posts but the mixtape that had Pharrell rapping over wu beats on some of the tracks had some niiice moments
I think it was this one
http://www.datpiff.com/Pharrell-In-M...xtape.520.html
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Dude made a whole mixtape dedicated to their work and instead of collabing with him you're looking for...PAUL BANKS.. idk man
Clipse did some Wu stuff on We Got It 4 Cheap series too. I remember Rainy Dayz and Daytona 500.
We Got It 4 Cheap were some of the all time best mixtapes, especially the first 2 installments
Replayed this over the last week. Get rid of a few songs and the skits and its an enjoyable listen.
^At the end of the day, RZA hijacked Math's album. Lol.
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Tried listening to Digi Snacks, did not find it an enjoyable listen. Boring and anything but creative or inventive. All the songs are straight forward as far as I can remember. Again, I can't remember much nor did it have me jumping out of my seat like DAYUM.
The other day, I was also listening to A Better Tomorrow. That album is not really remarkable either, save for a few musical details that had me listen to certain points again. Interesting to hear. Is it inventive or creative? Well not really since it is abides more by musical theory than RZA's earlier outings. And some of these details were already present in his beats from the 90's. Now he is just using instruments.
The most left field about 8 Diagrams is releasing a ODB dedication song without Ghostface, or removing the disco change up on Wolves.
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Revisited this one again last night and gave it a spin. It still holds up, imo. Obviously it’s not on the level of the 90s Clan classics, and we shouldn’t expect it to be. But this is imo a solid album. I think Math had some solid production on there, and I think all the emcees brought it. Tracks like Lesson Learn’d, Fast and Furious, If Time is Money, Frozen, People Say, Pearl Harbor are my favorites. Some of the hooks are out of place, and I’d have like more of Deck and Ghost on this album but other than that, not much to complain about. It’s a very enjoyable listen.
Glad I wasn't around for this and luckily my favorite GZA wasn't either (okay 1 verse), not a coincidence I'm guessing. Whenever he's not involved, it must mean something. Aside from the guys RZA had beefs with verbally for all to see, I feel GZA is above all that and just shows it by not showing up lol. Just to break this down factually:
- 18 songs of which 8 SKITS / INTERLUDES, 8! That's 1 short of half of the album. Give me one other album that has that many.
- 10 actual songs of which 5, exactly half, are basically solo joints with just some features as in there's only 1 WU member on it.
This can hardly be called a group album, more like a mixtape poorly put together, even if some of the songs do go hard. Production was actually not that bad and I enjoy 7/10 of the actual songs so take away all the filler nonsense and you have a decent Wu-Tang compilation. But as a group album given the facts make this easily the worst and hardly feels like a Wu album. For all the crap 'A Better Tomorrow' gets, it easily beats this garbage excuse of an album and I appreciate RZA and the gang to go a bit deeper, softer songs, more heartfelt and less "classic" Wu. Just my two cents.
I do wonder, was this album even agreed on by the Clan? Did they promote it? Seems like RZA just thew something together for this in an attempt to stay relevant.
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