i firmly agree with the thread starter...i hate all these shitty wu-fam groups nowadays...theordore (sun god, solomon are alright and obviously cappa), hillside shit suck, ice water are wack, ccf/division i cant stand (shacronz only one that got skill), black knights are average at best, north star are o.k....the only wu-fam that should be on any albums are killarmy, sunz of man, la the darkman, br'kln zu, shyheim, streetlife, holocaust, timbo king and maybe a few others