The war on drugs

[Os3y3ris]

Also, so long as we're talking about Salvia:

Oddly enough, when I got stuck in the Salvia loop, the first things to go were emotion and morality. As soon as I took sustained action, I set about the task of destroying something. Was it mine? No. However, the destruction of said property was far more important than the consequences of destroying it. Granted, it was cheap, but that was more coincidental than anything. A more expensive or important target would've done just fine in a pinch. The first basic concept was destruction to establish continuity and restore my ego.

Once continuity was established, destructive impulses continued. This time so I could prove I existed. The idea there was that I had to make my mark on the world to prove that I could make an impact. The idea was flawed and thus abandoned as there's no real way to tear at the fabric of reality. I'd simply be destroying that world. It would not help me ascertain which world I was in. However, it returned several times, each time knocked down by that same logic. Again, reconstruction of the ego.

The third lapse in morality was slightly more sinister. I looked at only half the equation and resigned myself to unreality. This lead to a dream/nightmare logic where people were reduced to characters. Their percieved worth dropped and their survival depended on exactly how interesting they could be alive. Also, given this logic, I could not be harmed, nor held accountable. This had less to do with reconstruction of the ego, but with complete death of the ego and thus a lack of existence.

Even scarier was the concept of killing myself. This would ideally break the loop. However, it was abandoned when I realized that instead of breaking the loop, it would simply end the trip and restart the loop.

There were three more moral quandries presented, all related. The first is that the concept of vengeance. If Salvia did indeed trap me in a permanant reality loop, which seemed clear at the time, then the person who encourged me to smoke it clearly deserved to die for that. However, if thats what the drug did, then she couldn't know and is therefore innocent. Also, if thats what the drug did, I COULDN'T kill her, only an illusion of her, making it a moot point. However, I knew that if I DID kill her, she would actually die, which meant that the drug didn't do what I thought it did. The flipside of this was the one last spark of humanity left in me at that time. Warning people of the dangers of Salvia was essential. However, if it didn't destroy reality, I didn't need to warn people. If it DID destroy reality, it was far too late. Finally, there was the idea of paying it forward, so to speak. Someone got me, so I could then pass the drug on to others and fuck them up too. Same problem.

Now, all of these options, save warning others away from Salvia, were weighed strictly on the best logical outcomes as opposed to any emotion, or the concept of right and wrong. The lack of the action is due to, for the most part, the conflicting logic of all of the scenarios and the secondary visions produced by the drug. These visions gave me looks into the future at possible outcomes of my actions, meaning that there was no real guess-work involved. Whenever I would come to a solution, the mind would work ahead and construct the most likely scenario. Oddly enough, these are virtually indistunguishable from real actions in the time shortly before and after the immediate affects of Salvia. Regardless, I think that its safe to say that both reconstruction of the ego and death of the ego are engines of physical death and destruction. Only when the sense of self is stabalized can any moral or ethical system apply. A state of flux leads to a complete breakdown of any civilized concepts.

[Sizzy Up]

SALVIA IS ALRIGHT.. >> I WROTE RHYMES ABOUT THIS THE EXPERIENCES.. WITH IT.. // SOME PRETTY DOPE RHYMES.. uNDER THE INFLUENCE.. > I HAVENT DONE IT EVER SINCE.. BUT RIGHT NOW I DONT EVEN WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT RIGHT .. NOW.. I GOTS TO STRETCH TO GO BALL. ..

[Visionz]

We need a war on lies, that's all I have to say.

best post of the thread right here. It cuts down to the root of the problem

[Urban_Journalz]

Now this thread is wicked nice Os3y3ris.

I've never been able to understand this alleged "war on drugs", when two of the most lethal and addictive drugs are legal and consumed in mass amounts. Those of course being alcohol and cigarettes. I've always been in support of awareness of this kind though. The government will tell us, "D.A.R.E. To Keep Kids Off Drugs." and while that's a noble cause for us common folk, the people who back this are the ones who go down to Peru and bring in tons of cocaine to the U.S. If y'all heard that song "Peruvian Cocaine" by Immortal Technique, you know exactly where I'm goin' here. It's hypocrisy on the most in-your-face level possible. Aside from the facts stated by Os3y3ris about how a controlled high is more acceptable than an uncontrolled high in most major societies, I'd like to touch on why I believe this is so a well, which ties into the Salvia experiences posted previously, which I'll touch on also.

Personally, I wonder why we're always told about things like heroine, x, pcp, meth and cocaine, INSTEAD of Salvia Passionflower, Blue Lotus, and the famous mushroom, Amanita Muscaria. Surely the scientists who cook up these dangerous drugs that we're taught about in our schools got the hallucinagenic properties from somewhere before they added a dash of rat poison and a pinch of ammonia, yes?? So, why would they want to control your, my, OUR high?? Consider what pyschoactive substances do to us. Good or bad trips, they solidify the existence of many different and thriving levels of time, space, reality and consciousness. Once this elusive door is tapped into, most people, especially if they have a good trip, don't want to return. The underlying problem on our part, is just that. If you don't exercise self-control, anything you do can become a harmful addiction. Knowing this, with all of their various specialists and scientists, the government not only cooks up the most powerful drugs known, but the most addictive as well. So, even if you realise the benefits of having an altered state of consciousness and use it to benefit you and those around you, it's ultimately going to kill you. Jimi Hendrix, John Belushi, Janis Joplin, Chris Farley are some very sad examples of this.

That's just drugs though. The plants, like the ones mentioned above, are a much more serious threat according to our beloved Uncle Sam, for a few reasons. The main reason is that because their plants, or, in the case of mushrooms, fungi, they can be grown. Making them much easier to get a hold of. Now suppose you have a person who respects the plants or fungi for what hey can do and would dare not abuse them, plus knows how to grow them?? Suppose, also, that this person has a solid belief that these plants were put here for a much more profound purpose?? Suppose they meditate when they're high, or paint, or make beats, play guitar or write verses?? Some of the best music or art you and I have ever seen came from people who were, what DJ Q-Bert calls, "Letting the universe speak through them." Method Man himself said, "I think marijuana is nature's way of sayin' 'Hi'" If this were to happen by the millions, a mass exodus, if you will, from sythetic drugs to mother nature's own psychedelic gifts, indeed, a brave new world would be born. As stated in a previous post, it's not just the governments, it's also us, the people. Take marijuana for example. Most people just smoke it because it's there. This can lead to bad things because you won't get the same effects every time. We need balance. Maybe only 3 times a week for smokers. Maybe you shouldn't smoke it. Get a vaporizer, there's no damage to the lungs. Get a marijuana cookbook, because all the recipes show you how to extract the THC and still have a merry ol' time without the obvious stench.

Options, is another factor that the government is afraid of. With their drugs, over the counter and street, you only have a few ways of taking them. Yes, they're all deadly, no matter which way you take them, but this is simply to touch on options. I've tried Salvia, and I chose to let it rest underneath the tongue instead of smoke it. It was a light sensation, but noticeable. Plus, it wasn't a lot. Be that as it may, the various ways to incorporate the natural psychedelics is fascinating. You could brew passionflower and blue lotus into a celestial seasonings (pick your flavor) tea-mix and no one but you would ever know why those dirty ass pigeons across the street look so damn cute. You can spot a crackhead a mile away. Same with heroine addicts, because they always nod off at mid sentence.

After weed, I started to study more and more about the various plants, barks, and mushrooms that were looming around the wilderness. Considering what great lengths this government has gone to over the ages, to strip people of their knowledge of self on a social and cultural scale alone, it seems like the stripping of the spiritual self is the most powerful of all. Plus, it ties into the social and cultural demolition as well. A lot of these plants and barks were used by one of 3 groups of people, Native Americans, The indigenous Central and South American peoples (Aztecs, Mayans, Incas), and Africans. Look at the way these 3 groups are constantly divided and set against one another. In movies, t.v. and politics. Just an example of "The Man's" tyranny though, this isn't about race, just the facts. The most interesting aspect for me, is the fact that a lot of these plants can't kill you if taken properly. The one and only mushroom I ever tried was Amanita Muscaria. You've seen it in Super Mario Bros. and Alice In Wonderland. Red cap, white dots. Before I ordered it, I of course studied it. All of these sites were telling me a bunch of valuble info. One thing I kept noticing is the word, "poisonous", which had me thinking about dropping the idea all together. I kept studying just for the fun of it, and one site, ONE SITE tells me, "The mushroom is indeed poisonous, but of the 3 properties of the mushroom, only one is poisonous and another is THE DIRECT ANTIDOTE to the poison. So, you'd have to take 9 or 10 of these to get sick." Trust me, I boiled it down into a tea and the stuff is extremely powerful. It also gives you severe nausea the next day. I haven't touched it in 3 years because the smell made me wanna hurl the next morning. The moral being, some plants or fungi don't LET you f**k with 'em more than a few times every 10 years or so. I still get icky thoughts thinkin' about it.

I say, seek out the stuff that's been put in the earth and use it wisely. Study it and re-study it. Take it in moderation because everyone's body is different. One hit may not work for you, but half a hit may get the next person torn up. Also, have a purpose in doing it. This is key, because a lot of people just wait for the high to kick in. Anticipation with stuff like this can be lethal and lead you on a horrendous trip. Trust me, I've been there. Do something, any....well....not ANYthing. Play some video games. Anyone who's played vg's high will tell you, it's delightfully insane.
I also noticed that music is a good way to keep yourself centered when taking something you're unfamiliar with. Choose a song you know and love so you'll have a good memory tracer around. I think the most important thing though is meditation. This is one of the easiest and most effective ways to not only stay calm, but use what's in your system for, what I believe, it was meant for. Meditation calms your breathing, so when you get edgy, you'll have already concentrated on your breathing, then your heart won't feel like it's about to explode inside your chest and your adrenaline won't be pumping as a result of your fear. Always, always, ALWAYS have something constructive to do. Even if it's video games. I know what it feels like to think you're watching yourself go insane and it's beyond not pretty. Also, don't mix things that don't need to be mixed. When I had bad trips, it was usually because I was a moron and drank liquor with weed in my system. Bad bombin'. Maybe it's best to only do it around certain people too. Me, I get high alone because I like to think, read write and meditate when I'm there. All too often, unless the person is on the same level of understanding as you, they tend to kill, nay, slaughter the high for you.

I had a few seriously bad trips, smoked some weed and was in Hollywood for the Halloween parade. I swore somebody had a bomb, and niether you or I could convince me otherwise.

Another time, and I think this bastard laced his smoke, was on the trip back to GA from Cali. I felt my heart slowin' down somethin' awful. In truth, I've felt it before, you're dying and there's nothing you can do but hope and pray you don't. Both times though, I was around some unsavory characters and my state of mind was screwy too. It's best to go in prepared, if you should decide to go. If you're a producer or a DJ, you'll see that making music in that state of mind is far, FAR better than sex. Yes. It is.

Again, have a purpose, use caution and moderation. If you're angry, don't get high. It'll start off good, but if you end up thinkin' about what pissed you off to begin with, it'll turn ugly quick.

[abasi]

the war on drugs is a sham
just like the war on terrorism

[Urban_Journalz]

the war on drugs is a sham
just like the war on terrorism

Set 'em free kid.

[ALLAHNDRZUWUNIGA]

Ah yooo for the first time I can really come throught as light.

I saw that umm sighniture earlyer today when I woke up as a 7

and I made a mental note of it, when my papa called on the telaphone.

SO now I am hear, I was about to kill yall with one of those descripitons of a mental loop, and bam it is hear.

so any way, fucking OSYRUS, I wanteed to tell you that shit you said about unreality and having to prove a discontinuity, I love it.

I printed every word you wrote.

Ok. im a cntiue.

that happened to me once, and the only way i coud prove discontiuity was to just spit. on the microwave, and this girl that was in the room was like why did you do that, and I couldnt explain it untill now.

You should read the latest article in time magazine about reality loops, theres a article about it.

To see if it adds into anything else, let me specify the specific signiture that I recall from waking up today

It was the frontal labotomy chicks dig everyday robots one,

you know, i was sleeping and I visualized something like it and I dont know, like just now I had a moment of doubt, about so what its a common like picture, but how often does a picture like that just go though your dreams, so I remembered it when I was the stimuli that I woke up to because in my sleep I remember reaching to it.

"themostbenevolentkingcomunicatingthroughyourdream s"